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apollo

09-09-2009, 11:23 AM

I dont have much faith in the boards anymore to be honest. People running around who are'nt good bros- all over the place, drama queens and what seems to be a bunch of young selfish punks with egos way bigger than than their realities living through a false reality- the boards. What happened to a brotherhood of guys taking their brothers' best interest at heart along with their own? Sources who only give a shit about money and guys who only give a shit about cheapness. WTF?
Disclaimer: The following was written to me by one of the lovingest bros I know who happens to have a deep background in medicine, was a pharmacists' assistance and knowledgable in chemistry and lab science. I can vouch for it to be true how he brewed and filtered as I witnessed it with my own eyes. Here it is:
"I'll be honest- I've been sourcing for 7 yrs and Most every guy that I started with and have slowly built upon is with me still. My volume is smaller, my techniques are excrutiating(much harder and time consuming) my product is superior- if not in effectiveness- in sterility and purity. For example: I use Triamethanolamine(TEA) to purify every product cept winny. After Brewing and adding TEA you have to let it sit for a day or 2 before you filter it. Then I syringe filter every drop directly into a sterile vial(factory sterilized)- never touches air- therefore there is no bacteria- live or dead-in my product to cause a reaction. Impurities are taken out by the TEA prior to and during filtering- including, dander, allergens, bacteria, pollution and some viruses that feed off such impurities- and the result is a fine, Pure, ph balanced, sterile product. TEA also PH balances products brewed in EO which is neccessary. Even though I know no one gives a shit nor do they know- I do this anyways. I'm not tooting my own horn bro- but it's the only example I know of putting being a good bro over money- which I know fuels this business but One does not have to be a slave to it nor sell their soul to it nor sell their brothers' health to it. It is careless and medically stupid to Brew up a ton of shit- Unscrew the filter top which creates a vacuum that sucks air including all bacteria, virus's(which BA does not kill) and particles in the surrounding environment ie. pet dander, human dander and tons of other shit to equal pressure. Then- god forbid they open the sterile vial and pour in the product! Yeah, the BA will kill the bacteria- but how does the body react to dead bacteria? How about usually like it does to live bacteria- then when it adjusts- it stops reacting to it- which lowers it's response to live bacteria. Alot of times people get colds or other viral sickness while on but it may be coming from virus's in the bottle. Could be. I actually had a bro that had an out break of fever blisters that he could not figure out how he got it- He had'nt had any exposure to any other human for 2 weeks- not even the gym- because He took a shot of Enan and EQ and got Roid flu- then he got real sickness- then 10 days after the shot he broke out in fever blisters. He never left the house and He had been broken up and depressed over it with his girl for a month which was why he was going to start a cycle to get his game back on. 10 days is within the time that it takes herpes to incubate on the shorter end. The process I have seen used by most sources: goes Brew- simple enough and bacteria and virus's can still get in at this time but the chances can be way lessened with certain techniques. Then they pour into a filter top unit that came sterile but when the bottom seal protecting the sterility of the bottom is broken in the open- sterility is loss. Then- The glass media bottle usually sterilized by the good, caring sources(which are using homade sterilizing techniques at best)- forget the unscrupulous, greedy, fast ones- is opened creating a vacuum to equalize pressure, allowing all things included in the air in with it- viruses, bacteria, dander, allergens, etc...
Then product is filtered and bacteria and most allergens are filtered out- but viruses are a whole other story. For example: Most bacteria and fungus including the ones that cause certain STD's probably wont fit through a microscopic hole in a condom- BUT the viruses including the HIV virus could fit through as a mouse walking through a doorway in relation to size. .2 microns does not filter out tons of viruses. Then, Once filtered - How is the liquid transfered? Well, if you are one of these high volume guys- How are you gonna transfer it? Are you gonna draw into a sterile syringe using sterile technique and shoot in a maximum of 6 10ml bottles at a time- then use sterile technique and draw out another 60ml in a 60ml syringe and do so each time? That's very very time consuming! You have to vent each bottle also with another needle and truly it's best to only do one at a time so that air is only being forced out- not getting sucked in through the needle into the sterile vial in a vacuum. Or Are they gonna open sterile vial and pour in what they know to be over 10ml just to be sure and faster and if they care and are very coordinated or have a partner- MAYBE they will cap each vial as they pour- before they pour another one in, but what's the use at this point? Then they hope the BA will kill all bacteria in your impure vial of injectible steroids going into the sterile environment of your body. Of course all that dead bacteria is going in as well as all impurities, allergens, toxins(what if your source smokes or lives in a polluted city?), and god forbid your source has herpes or a fever blister on his mouth while he's breathing into your vial as he pours. So, sure- go spend $23 on 1,000 bottles of juice sell it to your so called bros for $50 or $60 and newbs for $100-$125. Then you are the same money hungry or power hungry peice of shit your source is. You cant lie to your subconscience and Nature made us all good creations even if our experiences have'nt so you will pay the price bc nature also created universal justice. What you thought the courts did LMAO!
Larimar Flow hoods? I saw one source who actually used one and he only used it to pour product from media bottle to opened sterile vial. He was a good bro. Actually gave a shit. I'm not saying more dont use one. But I've personally seen 3 that claimed to that did'nt. It's also tedious working under one of those with proper technique. A little time consuming."

There's the truth. I was talking to a certain IDIOT oxyconton-head source that recently used to source here and bros he was clueless.
He told me how he accidently got his powder source which I'll admit was CHEAPER than any I've known of. He had no idea about brewing and chemistry and I mean on simple things like how to do a melting point test. He wasted 100's of grams trying to brew winny- I helped him by informing him PEG winny crippled and gave him a better formula. He also stated he left it on the burner to long and and it turned brown. He then informed me that he could'nt tell the difference between cyp and deca and that the only way he knew was by the numbers on the packs- of course i believed this to be bullshit and that he truely was trying to scam me- at least when added with some other bullshit he tried to manipulate with. See- Most of you have no idea what goes on behind the scenes- but it aint pretty! I have e-mails that i believe I can get a mod or 2 to vouch to where he admitted having an oxy conton problem and haviong 500 of them. He also threatened to nark on me
and I'm saying he threatened to do the same thing to a friend of mine. I could go on and on and on but you know what the sad part was?
Alot of ya'll were sucking his cock because he was offering $25 bottles of shit with labels that looked like a symbol for a winged super heroe. Fucking SAD!
I'm not saying he was'nt using real gear. He was- so his shit worked. He was'nt smart enough to do like some other sources that I know and claim one thing to be another- like methyl test is dbol or some other shit I seen supposedly good bros and sources do. And alot of ya'll were sucking there cocks too! I'm hoping that it's because ya'll dont know any better. otherwise you're a piece of shit just like they were and your time will be limited just like there's was. The truth always reveals it's self to those who are'nt just looking at what they can get or are getting out of something- ie the not just selfish people.
My best bro though no more of a bro than myself or any other real bro has been in business 7 years without incident- of the legal persuasion(at least to do with gear) He's bros with everyone of his clients. his TA is'nt 2/3 days- it's 5/6, he has let customers' go because of their silly dramatic shit but he did it with respect and balls. Balls is'nt just being willing to fight- it's being willing to have the courage to come down from above everyone and let go of your ego and place your brothers on equal ground with yourself. You see ego is built as a defense mechanism out of fear. Courage is to be a good mofo no matter what- even if it does'nt make you the most money in the shortest amount of time. Even if You screw up. Alot of sources will tell you what you want to hear to get your money then do as they wish any way- they can always chump you off with extras! I'd take a source that tried his very hardest to do what he says to you no matter what. A lil over a year ago- I was sourcing a few things. I had a terrible accident- was actually in a coma.
I owed 2 guys less than $225 combined- I had already served many others. I contacted Ronus and told him. I was not in my right mind for days so I screwed up and had my babies' mom who is apart of my loving family- log in and try to let everyone know. Less than 10 days later- I was threatened to be labelled scammer. Over $225 As I told Ronus- I would catch everyone up and take care of them regardless of their whiny : "who cares if you were in a coma- I just want my bottle of dbol now" selfish shit. I did'nt even pick up one of the funds and by the time I could it was returned to sender. Still I sent out when I was able. If I'm correct one of those fake ass bros has recently been demoted. I told ronus that I did'nt deserve such treatment nor did I need money enough to put up with such shit no matter how much I could make. So after it was publically stated by the mod and Ronus that I was a good bro. I took myself off the board.
People reveal themselves in time- not that some of you care as long as your getting yours. But oh, you will get yours. When your IDIOT pretender source goes down because he accesses these boards from his home internet service and stores, brews, filters, bottles and labels from his house and recieves at his house and a friends' house goes down- you're going down with them or eventually because now your on a watch list. But if you're that type of cheap selfish lttle turd- you get what you deserve.
If any of this does'nt apply to you-then dont take it personally. If it does take it how you want it. I have been holding it on my chest for a long time.
Also, remember being a good bro is a choice we all can make. You can change it if you want. We all can change this back to the brotherhood it once was. It's us against them and if we are'nt united- we dont have a chance because they ARE united.
All that I said- I swear to be true and if it was'nt I would'nt be enjoying the very happy life that i have but this shit has been bothering me.
Now dont mistake me for some whimpy whiner bc I'm loving first-
I can be as hard and tough as I wanna be- I did 8 months in the hole for uniting prisoners and I was a professional fighter- and i went down for someone elses shit before. So being powerless or whimpy aint a problem I got. Funny how one yo ass punk on here was talking about shooting people and being a gangbanger- and I ask you is this the guy you want brewing your shit? I went down for a massive paper crime that had to do with false Identities shortly after 911 and none of it was identity theft. They were all made up identities used for such things as running and hiding from the charge where i went down for someone elses shit. and also- maybe for sale for such uses as we might have and to run from trouble or those that wanted a fresh start. So, in other words All my crimes were victimless. Nothing to do with not caring about my fellow man it was just the system protecting it'sself type crimes. make no mistake- I am against being controlled by a self serving system. I am for freedom through self control, self-ownership and self- responsibility.
I hope some weak ass punks can get a good example or at least a clue from all this.
And if you're a real bro you already know what I'm saying or you are applauding right now.
Or cussing me out for saying it 1st. However, I'm sure someone that thinks they are a good bro will chime in revealing theirself- lol!

apollo

09-09-2009, 01:16 PM

bump. Read it. lol ?????????????

BleedingP

09-09-2009, 05:59 PM

Great stuff and unfortunately absolutely true...

tilltheend

09-09-2009, 06:32 PM

I understand what you mean now my original post I was confused on what you wrote, read it with a clearer mind.

nut

09-09-2009, 06:55 PM

That's what's up. Good post bro.

jdjack

09-09-2009, 07:27 PM

I hope ppl actually read what he wrote b/c its brutally honest.

beck26

09-09-2009, 07:42 PM

great post bro

Morgankane

09-09-2009, 07:58 PM

interesting...

IFIWAS

09-09-2009, 08:30 PM

BAD ASS FUCKING POST!!!!

I read every word 2 times....thanks for posting the TRUTH!

WaRRior45

09-09-2009, 08:55 PM

great post apollo...you can tell that came from the heart

slaminsam

09-09-2009, 08:57 PM

Great post. Alot of truth in those words.

sityslicker1

09-09-2009, 09:50 PM

That post was definitely an eye opener. Much respect for you Apollo.

apollo

09-09-2009, 10:02 PM

Tilltheend, I read your post before you last edited it. You mentioned if someone new comes along- If you mean a newb to the boards or a source- I'm not sure. My advice to a newb would be dont try to prove anything just be a good bro/mofo and let things fall where they may. Only people who are'nt truely something have to prove it. Just being it IS the proof.
My advice to a new source would be Care deeply enough to be deeply thorough as your bros health is in your hands and start small and slow and grow into longevity and build. Otherwise you'll get in over your head. Make a decision before you even start to make caring your first priority.

Aj even though i sound like a hill billy- lol! I know you truly are a good bro that really cares about what he does and that's why you persue bullshit with such zealousness. Even though you're a BIG mofo that dont have to take shit you're agood enough MF to do things right and you know bullshit even when others are not sure. You higher ups need to listen to this bro with balls big enough to pull the trigger on dealing with bullshit. he only takes shit personally because he cares.

Thanks everybody else- man I dont claim to be the most anything. I just am whatever I am at any given moment. But being so simple allows me to see through deep piles of bullshit pretty clearly.

Something for you bros that care- these raws coming from over there contain impurities already as do raws made most anywhere. Lets say you been on for a cpl weeks of the normal UG shit and so you're body is already adjusted to the dead bacteria and there's no viruses either. Well you probably wont get roid flue when you start this new AAS(whatever it may be) so you wont notice anything going on really cept maybe you get a lil sick during cycle or not due to a lower immune system. So does that mean All the things in your impure, contaminated gear are'nt there? Or does it mean they are'nt causing anything in the long run? Toxins, pollution, even carcegins, metals, allergens, just tons of possibilities. It's bad enough we got to breathe and swallow these things but it's a whole nuther thing to inject them directly into the sterile environment that is your body. This bypasses ALL the bodies defense mechanisms and abilities to destroy them with stomach acids and such. bro over time what do you think will happen? No one can say for sure but somethings got to happen because for every action there is an equal and opposite reaction. it does'nt look good. We are fragile beings that survive because our bodies are sterile on the inside. Once we contaminate that to a point we stop surviving. Cancer rings a bell! It aint worth it to save $15-$20 you'll pay that back for sure dudes. Vanity is one thing but enjoying your life and time and health are priceless. Do your thing, mac out, pimp etc... but do it for a long time and be as healthy and safe as possible. It's your choice. Ask your source questions and if hes a good bro- he'll give you specific answers. This smoke and mirrors to stay in power bullshit is not cool and leaves you at the mercy of the source- damn that's kinda like our GOVT! lol
Smoke and mirrors should be how we hide from LE to remain free to make educated choices for ourselves- NOT what we do to stay in power over our brothers who not only spend money with sources (perhaps feed their families) but put their priceless health in the sources' hands. Source should be a position of honor. It's time we lift the smoke and mirrors and Source with honor. Even if it means we have to earn our position with extra work and less money or power. Some sources actually get off on how many people are coming to them- why do you think that is?

fullybuilt

09-10-2009, 12:55 AM

Yah I hear yah. Jackedup was my "bro" Physique Pharma was my "bro" DNA was my "bro" Livestronger was my "bro",9000rpm@cyber-rights was my "bro",etc.... all fucking scammed in the end.

TheChosen1

09-10-2009, 01:44 AM

Good post, bro.

Lurch214

09-10-2009, 02:19 AM

I don't know everything behind this but none the less its a good read. There are some great points being made here.

IFIWAS

09-10-2009, 07:37 AM

apollo

09-10-2009, 10:05 AM

Yah I hear yah. Jackedup was my "bro" Physique Pharma was my "bro" DNA was my "bro" Livestronger was my "bro",9000rpm@cyber-rights was my "bro",etc.... all fucking scammed in the end.
The word "bro" means shit in and of itself. Any body can throw a word around. A real Brother would never scam.
But perhaps more importantly a real brother would never come around telling you everything you want to hear to get that money out of your pocket. Then if he does about half of what he says he can give you a cpl extra bottles of EQ and you're praising his name. That's not your bro- that's an ass kisser and ass kissing is manipulating horseshit and that's what a whore does- not your brother. Obviously they were fake bros or they would've never scammed.

These guys come on the scene kissing ass, throwing out extras, giving away shit...etc...Well how do you think they can afford to do that? I'll tell you how- by speed slapping some shit together to make the quick buck and going back to the well one to many times because they're selling so much shit at $23 a bottle they have to keep ordering kilos. One package of 2 or 3 kilos get's seized when they're runnin out of that shit-ton of dirty ass gear they're selling @ $23 a bottle and guess what? They just spent a ton of $ on a hummer and there you fuckin go- scammer. Alot of these guys are typical drug dealers That just happen to deal Aas instead of recs and way too many do and deal both. Go google the psychology of a drug dealer or something like profile of a drug dealer. They are not good bros just because they'll do whatever it takes to make a buck.
I'll give you an example: I knew this guy- he was pretty built, a black dude named Darrin. Well come to find out he was a coke dealer to all the ritzy people. I happened to be in the Most uppity steakhouse and Bar in this city when he came in- I could'nt believe my eyes or ears when he walked in Dressed super preppy with glasses and Talking all polite and customer servicy- I was amazed and must admit I watched with admiration of his ability to play the role. Now this same guy Who I had known of for years, Also had some dealings with some bikers' whose "boss" or Capt. happened to be a friend of mine I used to hate in High school. He himself would'nt deal with Darrin- saw right through him. I had saw 3 Darrins prior to Ritzy preppy Darrin- hard ass Darrin that dealt to bikers, cool but tougher than the lil ravers' and therefore were doing them a favor but they better not screw him bc hes a bad dude Darrin that dealt X at a cpl of partys' I was fucking hot young chicks at. I was 28 or 30 at the time so I went where the easy 23 yr old pussy was- LOL! Funny thing was he'd always stay clear of me.
THEN there was BLACK Darrin. I should say Black power Darrin. You know the victim and soon to be destroyer of all these white, cracker muthafuckin honkies- Darrin. I had the pleasure of knowing this Darrin in the county where I went for a cpl of weeks for Breaking a homos nose and teeth with 2 punches for pinching my ass infront of my GF and friend. Maybe I over-reacted : |? I had told a lawyer friend what happened- he pulled some strings. I wonder if this Darrin knew who the fuck he was? Bro can be a role played- some find such delight in it they actually start believing their own bullshit- after all if you can con yourself into believing you are something it's easy to con everybody else. Cept the guys who are really what you're conning yourself and everybody else that you are. It's like a guy that had 3-4 amateur boxing matches or sparring matches and knows a lil about boxing whos been telling your peeps how hes a pro or was a pro boxer in your presence then when someone says yeah ole Rocky here was an Amateur champion (because they had no idea you went pro) and So the guy says well why did'nt you step up with us big boys in the pros- then you say oh I had 3 pro fights and then he wants to talk about boxing with you and you're wishing a ring would come down from heaven w/ 2 sets of gloves and one headgear for him so you did'nt kill him- only knock him the fuck out! You absolutely know this guy has'nt a fucking clue as he uses terminology you can learn in a how to book or magazine. He's a pretender.
A real bro can spot a pretend bro a mile away BRO.
A real Brother will try to set an example for guys who are truly trying to become brothers. A real bro will tell you to slow down bro or learn some patience bro or maybe even chill the fuck out or we wont be doing anymore business. Maybe even Take your business and shove it- It's not worth the trouble- I only deal with other good bros.
That's a bro you can trust.
No one can trust an ass kisser.
However ego freaks usually cant see this bc the ass kissing feeds their ego.

There was this source- being used to dealing with the money hungry fake bros, I Dangled money in his face. 9 out of 10 sources would've at least told
Me whatever it took to get the money if not done whatever it took. You know what this bro said to me? : "Dont you ever disrespect me like that again or you can find another source" After reading that i did indeed do that- I apologized and explained to him that I did'nt know he was a real Mofo and that I would deal with him as such from now on. We became cool but not friends due to the situation. Some say he ratted. Most say it was his assossiate Big Bad Asian. I know he We did a shit-ton of business. He told me immediately that he got popped and to clean house. Nothing ever happened to me. His sentence was excrutiatingly long. No one elses was.
I believe him to have been a real bro.
You see a real bro may not be your friend. He's just a real bro.He wont not fuck you bc he's your friend- he wont fuck you bc he would'nt fuck anybody. He's your friend by making sure you are geting the cleanest, purest, accurate product as possible. For real.

Realize

09-10-2009, 12:56 PM

You see a real bro may not be your friend. He's just a real bro.He wont not fuck you bc he's your friend- he wont fuck you bc he would'nt fuck anybody. He's your friend by making sure you are geting the cleanest, purest, accurate product as possible. For real.

Well put...

apollo

09-10-2009, 01:21 PM

Well put...
Realize just the fact you reckognize that- says you're more than likely a good bro. lol
Or that you understand being a good bro at least LOL!- but then if you were'nt a good bro with understanding of being one- well, then you'd be just EVIL-

I'm just bustin- You Evil Bastard! LMAO! Just kiddin.

fullybuilt

09-10-2009, 01:43 PM

You need to pick and choose your "bros" more wisely....maybe not look for such friendly people next time...lol

LOL in that case your my new bro lol

IFIWAS

09-10-2009, 04:02 PM

LOL in that case your my new bro lol

HAHAHA.....fucker...but it is true...I would never fuck someone over.

fullybuilt

09-10-2009, 07:05 PM

HAHAHA.....fucker...but it is true...I would never fuck someone over.

That is true. you will talk smack but you would never scam. Same with me. I'll say stupid unsafe shit but would never scam.

tilltheend

09-10-2009, 08:16 PM

slaminsam

09-10-2009, 09:04 PM

Even more truth coming out. I love it. Ya know ever since the early days on the boards all these supposible good "bro's" have had short life spans on the boards. There is still some names i recognize from the early days of the forums. Maybe its the fact that i took time off for going back to school while working and everyone changed their name or the fact that they fell to darkside. Im leaning towards the latter. Its a shame that things are like the way they are but all you can really do is follow Luke 6:31 Do unto others as you would have them do unto you.

apollo

09-10-2009, 10:04 PM

Hell yeah get the cleanest shit and don't fuck anyone so their money keeps coming back in when they help you it helps them.You sound like a bad fucking dude apollo.

A real Brother will try to set an example for guys who are truly trying to become brothers. A real bro will tell you to slow down bro or learn some patience bro or maybe even chill the fuck out or we wont be doing anymore business. Maybe even Take your business and shove it- It's not worth the trouble- I only deal with other good bros.
That's a bro you can trust.

^^ I agree with that shit 110%
No bro, you dont not fuck anyone so the money keeps coming in. Dont fuck anybody bc you ARE a good bro and would'nt do that. Irregardless of the money. The money may or may not come. But guess what- knowing youre a righteous motherfucker gives you a sense of pride about yourself and fills a void that no money clothes and hoes could ever fill. You can be happy with yourself and when you're happy with yourself the need for those cover ups, hide behinds, and dependencies kind of fade man. You make the cleanest gear not for money- hell no! You'll make more money making dirty gear that just does'nt infect or cause abssesses and selling a shit-ton of it. You go through the work, time and trouble to make the cleanest gear bc you care about your fellow bros. Deep down you know when you do wrong even if consciously you dont. Show me one dirty MF that's not a self-destructive MF in some way- You cant fool yourself dude. In this business it seems to me that one is gonna make money. But How are you gonna make it and what will you trade to make it? Furthermore- do you believe in what you're doing? That is the true secret to longevity. Just being in it to make money is not believing in it. It's believing in money. I've been to other much poorer countries where people are much happier- I dont believe in money. Most in this country have been sold the belief in money. Because guess what- the more you make the more they tax and the more you spend the more they tax and god forbid you use credit bc then they get interest too. But fuck "them" I dont live for them.
Now dont get me wrong I'll try to be a good bro but I'm also humble enough to know I cant save the world so I know how to say go away I wont deal with you because you're not a good MF or you're too much trouble. Also I dont put my brother above me. Just on equal ground. I cant respect you if I dont respect myself- understand? Read this a few times and treat these words as holy text and read it until what I'm saying shines like a light bright and very clear. Me saying take your money and shove it does not make me a bad dude. It makes me human and imperfect enough that I dont have the patience or whatever it takes to help you change yourself into a good bro.
Being a badass means being it only when neccessary anything else is known as being a bully I'd rather walk softly and carry a big stick. If someone IS a badass- they have nothing to prove and that should free them to be a good dude without fear.

Disclaimer: good mofo or not I really really like hoes. It's my weakness. At least a part of me wants to fuck every decent looking woman I see. Maybe I'm full of shit and really- I have to be a good bro to balance out my sickness- LMAO!
Maybe. Are there any old coots out there that can tell me if this ever subsides? I mean at 40sumthin should'nt this have subsided? I guess I'm better than I used to be.

Agentsmith

09-10-2009, 11:40 PM

I hope ppl actually read what he wrote b/c its brutally honest.Not to use the lame "bump" response but this needs to be bumped big time....Its unfortunate that there are so many ego driven young dildos in the community who just don't care about anything but thereselves and how to be the biggest screw out there. They don't know how to spell bro much less be one:mad:....KNOW THY SELF

Realize

09-11-2009, 09:37 AM

Realize just the fact you reckognize that- says you're more than likely a good bro. lol
Or that you understand being a good bro at least LOL!- but then if you were'nt a good bro with understanding of being one- well, then you'd be just EVIL-

I'm just bustin- You Evil Bastard! LMAO! Just kiddin.

Oh I know for a fact that I am a good bro...I prove it in my everyday life.

One point that I would like to make is that a lot of people that actually think they are a "good bro" may not be when they're sitting in a room with 2 dt's throwing big numbers at you.

Think about that.

ketsugo

09-11-2009, 09:41 AM

Interesting and completely fascinating post

Big Dan

09-11-2009, 03:22 PM

apollo

09-11-2009, 06:39 PM

Oh I know for a fact that I am a good bro...I prove it in my everyday life.

One point that I would like to make is that a lot of people that actually think they are a "good bro" may not be when they're sitting in a room with 2 dt's throwing big numbers at you.

Think about that.

I'm sure you are a good bro man. I was just kiddin around.
On that point R, I'm battle tested and proven on that one. They gave me 15 yrs in a state on a paper crime with no victims and no profit/money. That alone should tell you something. Then they let me out of my 8 months in the hole just to send me to another state and the original charge I was running from. Then - I moved up North to get married(which I never did) and by some kind of dumb luck my p.o. said: givin you 15 yrs for this was bullshit. Of course that was after I fucked her 3 times- LMAO! She told me she would let me off probation just to get me away from her(she was married) and I was told never to come back to AL- NO FUCKIN PROBLEM! Have'nt been back since. In all fairness I should mention my p.o. who was smoking hot by the way- Had been to one of my shows when I was a internationally touring stripper. How fucking lucky is that? LMAO!
They were throwing 20 yrs in my ear. And you dont run from a possession w/ intent charge if you're squeeling. However, I stopped participating in the victin/victimizer roles that ARE the system.

Let me just say that it was wrong to tear my probies married ass up but the chemistry was insane and it did save my ass and I already told you ladies are my weakness but long ago I stopped messing w/ married ladies bc of my own conscience. I had'nt done it knowingly 10 rs prior or 9 yrs since. I'm human. It's always bothered me but I have forgiven myself.

apollo

09-11-2009, 06:48 PM

With the forums and the written/typed word, it's easy for someone to do things to people with a level of dishonesty because the victim can never look in their eyes and judge the man at face value, never have the sense of lying or truth- their words are the first thing we can judge them by.
But look how many 'talk' big and do nothing...dont back up their talk with action...its rampant.
A man is not what he says but more what he does. Character should stand for something, a man who says an ugly truth has my respect, telling friendly lies can fuck himself.
You are only as much as your actions speak, on and off the internet. I would tell anyone, I am an average man off the boards, so Im an average man on the boards, I am no more or less important than anyone else, the only thing I can do that makes me anything more is the right thing, which is not always the popular thing, but being straight and telling the truth no matter how unpopular it is- IS IMPORTANT.
I think Apollo's words ring true and he says it much the same way, he is a man, and a man who is here to do certain things no more no less, hes not here to elevate himself or cast some facade of being better than he is in real life- what you see is what you get and if it makes you feel uncomfortable than you should take a long hard look in the mirror and ask yourself at the end of the day when all the 'things' and money are taken away, what do you have left?
YOUR INTEGRITY.

That last part was well said Bro. And yes you are so much more your actions than your words. Words mean shit unless your actions prove them. Hell you can ask any woman that- lol.
And you're just saying that bc I told you I'm not a bodybuilder I just wanna look good for the Ladies in my totally redneck voice- lol!
Hank Jr, Rules! LMAO!
But Deriously bro- thanks- that means alot coming from you.

apollo

09-11-2009, 07:05 PM

Apollo you are one deep MF and I like that man. Your words are very true. When I first came to this board a few years back there was a true brotherhood. Me personally I felt very safe here with all the guys. I guess that is why I have stayed here. But I have watched some of the good bros come and go. You personally I have always enjoyed your post and agreed with you on many levels as I do with this one. There are some great stand up guys here but those others have came and gone and there will be more to come. But as long as there are stright shooters like yourself , Ajdos and there are others here there will always be a real brotherhood.

BTW I am 38 and I too still love the Hoes. It is so damn hard to be a good man. I guess if I did not spend so much extra time in the shower everyday I would be divorced. I too hope this get better as I get older.

LMAO! I might as well be married bro so I feel you on that shower thing. Luckily my woman likes lesbo porn and a taste of other women from time to time. And she lets me get strange once a yr. Yeah, right- more like 7-8 times a year! lol!
But you're wrong about one thing- I'm NOT deep. I'm Simple. And that allows me to see through deep piles of bullshit. To explain that pile away to get to the simple truth is complicated.
And it seems like this thread has awakened some good bros now we just need to get and stay united and Protect the sanctity of brotherhood.

CatDaddy

09-11-2009, 10:51 PM

It just boils down to this, plain and simple... "You are who you are, when there is nobody else looking"... And you know what else, everybody knows who they are whether they want to admit it or not... It is just that plain and simple... :cool:

tilltheend

09-12-2009, 12:18 PM

No bro, you dont not fuck anyone so the money keeps coming in. Dont fuck anybody bc you ARE a good bro and would'nt do that. Irregardless of the money. The money may or may not come. But guess what- knowing youre a righteous motherfucker gives you a sense of pride about yourself and fills a void that no money clothes and hoes could ever fill. You can be happy with yourself and when you're happy with yourself the need for those cover ups, hide behinds, and dependencies kind of fade man. You make the cleanest gear not for money- hell no! You'll make more money making dirty gear that just does'nt infect or cause abssesses and selling a shit-ton of it. You go through the work, time and trouble to make the cleanest gear bc you care about your fellow bros. Deep down you know when you do wrong even if consciously you dont. Show me one dirty MF that's not a self-destructive MF in some way- You cant fool yourself dude. In this business it seems to me that one is gonna make money. But How are you gonna make it and what will you trade to make it? Furthermore- do you believe in what you're doing? That is the true secret to longevity. Just being in it to make money is not believing in it. It's believing in money. I've been to other much poorer countries where people are much happier- I dont believe in money. Most in this country have been sold the belief in money. Because guess what- the more you make the more they tax and the more you spend the more they tax and god forbid you use credit bc then they get interest too. But fuck "them" I dont live for them.
Now dont get me wrong I'll try to be a good bro but I'm also humble enough to know I cant save the world so I know how to say go away I wont deal with you because you're not a good MF or you're too much trouble. Also I dont put my brother above me. Just on equal ground. I cant respect you if I dont respect myself- understand? Read this a few times and treat these words as holy text and read it until what I'm saying shines like a light bright and very clear. Me saying take your money and shove it does not make me a bad dude. It makes me human and imperfect enough that I dont have the patience or whatever it takes to help you change yourself into a good bro.
Being a badass means being it only when neccessary anything else is known as being a bully I'd rather walk softly and carry a big stick. If someone IS a badass- they have nothing to prove and that should free them to be a good dude without fear.

Disclaimer: good mofo or not I really really like hoes. It's my weakness. At least a part of me wants to fuck every decent looking woman I see. Maybe I'm full of shit and really- I have to be a good bro to balance out my sickness- LMAO!
Maybe. Are there any old coots out there that can tell me if this ever subsides? I mean at 40sumthin should'nt this have subsided? I guess I'm better than I used to be.

I worded myself wrong, I meant if they are looking for a quick buck atleast make good quality shit so they keep coming back. I live the same way as you desribe.Fuck money, I am just trying to better my life is all. I totally believe in living a righteous life and I am surely turning into the person I imagined myself being.When I said badass I meant a cool guy, I don't bother anybody, its when they bother me I bother back. I definatly let my actions do the talking, I am extremely humble, I don't hold my self higher than a bum, and if you came by where I am and asked the bums theyd tell you. I will go out of my way to help, it gives me energy bursts to do the right thing and to try my hardest I figured why not try even if it hurts, 10 years from now it will all be a memory. I did read your paragraph a few times, this is what I wanted to say back, so thats why I posted this.

apollo

09-23-2009, 02:47 PM

Anybody doubts what I'm saying about dirty, unsterile gear- go read Jerk killers' sticky in the classifieds. And just so you know you take the metal crimp top seal off and with sterile procedure stick in the syringe filter first just outside of where mark would show once re-crimped(there's plenty of room trust me) then after a few drops- you stick in 25g vent needle. Once re-crimped no marks will show once flip top is removed. 25g dont really show after 1 inject anyway in the stoppers on my factory sterilized and sealed vials.

apbt549

09-24-2009, 09:26 AM

You speak alot of truth there apollo...... have some pride in yourself..... there are lot of people out there who are ass deep in bull shit bc they are so worried of what people think they are so they have to put this image up to make them self feel important.. i loved the comments about darrin reminds me alot of the people at the gym.....

XTREME

09-28-2009, 03:49 PM

Excellent post and thread!

juicemansouth86

09-28-2009, 05:11 PM

I know exactly what you mean..... GREAT POST!!!!

apollo

10-05-2009, 06:59 PM

I agree. I have read this post and all replies twice. Best thread on any board for a long fucking time.

I will tell you this. I have been in this little world of these Steroid, BBing, Fitness boards for a long fucking time! I had given up hope and also decided that the word BRO was nothing anymore. I have seen the ups and downs. Truly good BROS gone. When Brotherhood and being a good "BRO" actually meant something. I use to be a much bigger part of this whole thing. I took myself out of posting and or helping due to times changing. To many fucking idiots. It wasn't worth it to me anymore. Why? Cuz the list of people that actually gave a shit diminished to nothing. All it has turned into is a god damn shit hole of idiots. It's all about "LIKE YOU STATED" Money. They dont give a shit about me, you, or anyone for that matter. All they really care about is the cash they can make. And then there are the members......they don't give a shit either. All they care about is price and themselves. Nothing more. There are a very select few that actually give a shit what happens in the community. Aj is one of the few that I have seen take stand and also do things for others just to make sure others may not endure fuckheads and asshole scammers. Yep............A lot don't like him due to this. Oh well. Without Bros like him,......It leaves all of us as easy targets. And I am not just talking about Sources. But Members that are fucks also! He has put himself out there to help us all. Like him or not.

I personally think this whole thread should be a sticky! Apollo........this was a fucking great thread. I hope everyone reads this whole thing.

Hats off to you!

SLICK

Wow Slick, Thank You brother. I hope all of us that give a shit with balls can stick together and look out for eachother. Hell, I really hope we can take back what should be ours. Just by what you say I can tell alot about you Slick. We're bros and AJ definately is too and quite a few others. Some Members are such lil fucks that they almost deserve some of these unscrupilous sources. For sure. It's simple- all the balls or macho in the world might as well be cowardice without heart.
I'm so glad that this post has brought out a few good bros. I feel much more peacful knowing ya'll are out there. I'm humbled by some of you guys- be it by your knowledge, wisdom, or freak size- lol! I admire and respect AJ for his effort towards what's right. I find AJ to be a servant to the good parts of this community. I hope I can be tested and found to be a admired and respected servant in my own way. I hope a few good bros can recognize that my effort is much more for what is right than others sources. But more than anything to do with just me- I hope that us men can be good strong honorable men and lead this new batch of ...whatever the hell they are... to be something greater than a bunch of individuals. To be apart of something righteously manly in an all too feminine queer world. A part where warriors and strong manly men can bond together and show that we are'nt what the cowering cowards say we are(politicians, govt, nerds, LE...etc) That we deserve our power and freedom because we give a shit about eachother and what's right. However, for those that just wish to remain the selfish fucks that they are who want to lie, manpulate, hustle and con to get whatever they want or need for themselves- I think we should smash them and throw them the fuck out of OUR community- our family of bros.
Real Bros UNITE! Weak ass money slaves and enslavers and selfish pricks hit the fucking bricks and stop leaching off of OUR world. Maybe noobs should'nt be flamed but I say we Flame the shit outta all these pretenders! Sources and members alike!
True Alpha Males are leaders and protectors of packs, prides and heards- not Sneaky festering lil fucks who roam around trying to see what they can get off of others.
All my brothers- I'm here for you. When your doing what's right- I got your back to hell with politically correct. To hell with board games. Matter of fuckin fact- I challenge all board admin, owners', moderators etc... to honor the fuck up and call spades spades no matter who the fuck it offends! Make it: No status without honor. 10 peeps say super mod mighty is a peice of shit- research it and if he is kick him out of OUR community! This community cant stand much more corruption. Like this board needed; OUR Community needs a cleansing of the undeserving. Some of these sources need to be questioned and researched and if found undeserving- cut off from OUR community. All the "ME" Mentalities need to either change to "WE" mentalities or go be alone with me(yourself). This is about "us" henceforth the name community. Bodybuilders and fighters and athletes used to be the elite- now any undeserving turd can join a mma school and any lil turd can do juice- but without heart your just puffed up or trained punks. Nothing more. A guy can be a bro though even if he's a nerd as long as he's real, honest, honorable, has balls and has a heart. Bodybuilding, athletics, fighting is just what brings us certain types together. I'm a true alpha male. I dont seek power like the false alphas bc I already have it! I dont wish to rule the world- I just wont be ruled- I just want to be amongst my bros and fuck hoes and/or father children. In OUR community anything less than balls, honor and heart should be un fucking acceptable!
But go suck a dick for a fucking dollar false ass motherfuckers- goddamn pretenders- go do what youre told or sold and use that to be what you hide behind and judge by. go get on some bandwagon. Hell even a cpl of guys who reponded to this thread I've seen sucking all the wrong dick and exposing themselves as pretenders With their short post just to appear to be what I'm talking about- you cant fucking pretend hoes! I see you. all a concerned bro has to do is 1- investigate 2- ask questions and you'll reveal yourself!
I'm like happy and pissed at the same time. Happy guys like Slick showed themselves and that guys like aj and a cpl of others are around. And pissed that Anything I've said dont change a fucking thing and the bullshit is still too deep for my pissed off frustrated light of truth to illuminate anything.
But if I am gonna say something- I aint saying what pleases everyone. I'm speaking with ugly honor.
I guess what Slick says or AJ says or what I'm saying offends alot of people but guess what - I bet aj or slick or other real bros aint offended by it! I'm not even a bodybuilder and I aint offended by what AJ posts but I love what he posts about bodybuilding and general things.. I like what slick just said. I'm not a conflictive person by nature but I'm not afraid of it. I'm so laid back most of the time I'm borderline lazy. But let me do something or be apart of something that matters and I become a serious, thorough, laser like intense mofo. Tell me I got a fight coming up or have to look a certain way for something coming up then put me in a gym and I'll be a seriously intense killer of myself. Put my Brothers' health in my hand and I become a serious anal, thorough psycho. That's bc I give a shit about my self my honor and my brothers. Fuck it I'm going to post this OLM- LMAO! I wonder what that'll spark over there- LOL! Anyways I hate dealing with other sources- I see through their bullshit and understand what's behind it so easily. i care about what I do. It does'nt pimp my world- it supports my family.

tilltheend

10-05-2009, 07:17 PM

apollo

10-05-2009, 09:20 PM

Ok i am going to be the good brother i am , even though i am young i only learned from these boards ran by the people you mentioned and the people they associate with, now me personally i think you are someone else under a different alias, and not only do i agree with what you say, but i am going to do as you preach and say fuck you as a good brother and i chose to never associate with you under that name as apollo, if you are someone else then my bad, but under the name apollo i chose to not associate with you, you call some fools, me I am far from one, to me as a good brother your whole bit of long posts seem like a good business move for you, so fuck you, do as you preach and do not be offended take my words as the good brother thing to do just like you said a good brother knows when to say I will not associate with you and thats true, i will choose to associate with who i have been since i have been on the boards, i learned from the good brothers they know who they are and I am sure you know who they are too, and i choose to not fuck with you. Good posts and good luck. I mean no offense or disrespect and you must see my point of view I do not wish to argue at all brother.

Since Day 1 on ASN Spectrums' board -my first board in 2002 I have been apollo. I have been therealapollo and stripperapollo on a board where apollo was already taken. On oneboard I forgot how to log in after much time off of it so I re-registered as fuckin-apollo! and notified a moderator I know personally from that board. Other than that- I have never used another name on a board. I have never had any drama on a board nor has my standupness been questioned except when I was in a wreck and owed 2 people less than $225 for about 10 days- even though everyone was informed. I was asked about someone scamming me and was honest. I had an idiot off this board try and scam me- threatened to nark on me. That was all handled behind the scenes.
Good business move? LMAO! A good business move in the sense that you mean would be to kiss ass and sell a 3 day T/A .
However for ME it IS a good business move because I will avoid dealing with dumbasses like you who are too young for my 23 and over rule anyway. Any of the rest of you yunguns take note and go to the next source too. You're too goddamn young to even be doing juice! I dont want your youthful stupidity on my conscience. Anyone who does'nt want a superior product but a 6 Postal day T/A or less- NEXT! Anyone who does'nt care about anything but price- NEXT! Anyone who does'nt need an official looking Product to sell- NEXT!
As of right now I dont do any business on the boards except this one and I had some extras on one other board where my name is guess what- apollo. See, I dont rely on the boards for my business. I got most of the same guys I started with 7 years ago still with me. I built slowly. To live- I dont need the boards at all. In total counting the extras- I paid off one short lived debt of GH and made right at about $500 since getting on this board for the 2nd time as: apollo. But since I only want quality customers who I enjoy working with- usually either good bros or quality freaks(the minority) It IS good business for ME.
You could'nt choose to associate with me if you mean dealing with me anyways because based on all your responses to my post- here and else where- I would'nt deal with your say one thing then change it up when I called your ass on it anyways. Revelation: Lack of balls.
Truth be known alot of shit I said has deeply bothered you. So you've pathetically tried to like a woman be passive agressive and get some underhanded get back to make yourself feel better without exposing yourself to be exactly what I'm talking about. I called you out and you changed your story- even edited your post. You know you are a pretender. You might kiss ass to these higher ups and because you lack balls and self-responsibilty you like living under their wings. You think that if you kiss their ass- they'll protect you and maybe it feeds their ego or makes them feel valuable to be a mentor- kinda like an old guy in Prison takes a young buck under his wing but does'nt want to fuck him- it's not gay. But they are wasting their time with a lost guy like you. You're just fatherless or your mama wears the pants if dad is around which I doubt.. It's not your fault- so I aint mad or against you. I just feel sorry for you. You probably blame your father if he's alive but you dont see anything but what your mama says and does. You wanna be a man so bad but you just dont get it. You hav'nt had the example lived out infront of you.
Your pathetic effort to have a spine and take responsibilty and tell me to fuck off is such a joke and scary part is you actually thought you had a choice. You believe your own bullshit. You have no chance of being like me. I terrify you. Just me being me terrifies you boy. You have to try to destroy me or discredit me because I make you feel less of a man. But I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. Fuck my ego- I'm not even ruled by it so you have no way of manipulating me with it by feeding it like a woman does. So you tried to antagonize me and guess what ego did'nt bite. So now you accuse me of being someone else? Well enlighten us all genuis- who else am I? Oh wait you said if I'm not then youre sorry- well am I or aint I punk? Pull the fucking trigger and take responsibility for and accept the consequences. Dont straddle the fence and half-ass are you accusing me or not? Or are you just reaching so you dont have to be terrified by me? Not me like I'm gonna hunt you down. Me just being the Free Motherfucker that I am? This is what i am. I'm a fucking beast. I wana fuck every bitch I see and I love being a beast. I wont not be a beast for anybody BUT I am also a lover of myself and all people- what you need son is to be and love your beast- the part of you women dont understand and are terrified of and will teach you is bad if you dont have a daddy around to show you how you can be both a lover and beast and it's good. So if you're gonna tell me to fuck off Junior just say: apollo- I think you're full of shit! FUCK You. But be sure lil johnny that you are'nt projecting or using transferrance because I might be exactly what your ass needs to be shown. I'm natural and no system teacher police woman govt or anything under the god who made me in my natural form is gonna tell me or sell me to be different than I am or make me hate it. I own me and my mind therefore I'm free as god made me and good. So if your pulling the trigger son PULL IT dont fuck around and half-ass. What are you saying?
The non caring response for me would be ok- good. Fuck me. LOL! or simply you're funny dude.

zodiac

10-05-2009, 09:35 PM

apollo

10-05-2009, 10:08 PM

You can't fully trust anyone-especially someone you have never met or personally spoken to..the internet is a facade we all hide behind of...the best and the most trusted sources have rolled over and/or scammed-and often times sources are very cut throat and will say anything and do anything to win customers over...only time ...and good consistency all around will put us to ease....bro is just a word..it means nothing if the person who says it has no credibility....I only wish the days of sending random gear to a lab were still here..I have a feeling many would fail what there label claims to be.

My point exactly! Sources have scammed, rolled over...just like fuckin drug dealers. But you said "best" sources. How do you know they were the best? I mean look Testosterone enanthate is Testosterone enanthate mg for mg. There's a shit ton of sources who put out gear that works great. Quite a few who overdose it even. I dont claim that just for putting on muscle the gear I sell is any more effective mg per mg. It is overdosed as follows: in the calculations it is brewed at 220mg/ml I expect that a bit of that overdosing is lost in Filtering and no powder is 100% pure. I'm making an educated guess and guessing that most come out about 205mg/mL where they say 200. What other source has said exactly how their gear is prepared???- none! Know why? Most keep it a secret. Why? Most will say or do anything bc they only care about money. And all a lab will tell you is what mg it contains of effective ingredients. If a full Spectography is done it'll say what percent is what But 1% or less will be other which is impurities and pollution.
And time and good consistency only shows effective gear and pretty decent security if not luck. That their intent is'nt to scam and they know they'll make more money in the long run. That's all it shows.
Any word is just a word. Pussy is just a word til you're fucking it. Hell the
1st verse in the Tao Te Ching discredits words. Words only have meaning when they back up actions or they describa actions.
Here's something you said that concerns me Zodiac. "the internet is a facade we all hide behind of" Well if you mean hide as in for security or safety from overzealous LE or Laws that have secret agendas- yes I do hide that way. But if you mean hide who and what you are- Speak for yourself. You speak to me in person and it's exactly the same. I'd say who you could ask but Not my place to reveal whom I spoke with. I know I have spoken personally with or hung out with guys who were different and some who were the same. So I hide from threats to my safety security and freedom but I never hide who I am. What you said is part of the problem. Pretending or hiding.
Also I have no intent of putting anyone at ease. I only intend to be honest and let those who see it or recognize it do so. One usually attracts what they put out. Good.

apollo

10-05-2009, 10:24 PM

Hell, I was sick for a cpl of days- Maybe I'm just being an ass tonight- fuck it I'm human- Let me take my ass to bed- nah I think I'll hit the hammock outside- my best sleep- I really have a thing about pissing and sleeping outside- WTF? LOL!
Zodiac If I was nick picking what you said- I'm sorry. I think I know what you meant bro.

Tilltheend- Go whack off to some really dirty porn like with chicks peeing or squirting and instead of feeling guilty- feel proud. And if your mama walks in dont even miss a stroke just keep going and when youre done tell her dont EVER come in your room without knocking again!

zodiac

10-05-2009, 10:32 PM

apollo

10-06-2009, 01:23 AM

What I meant when I said "best" sources...was the best and/or most popular at the time in the eyes of us, the customers...yes, unfortunately the internet is a perfect tool to persuade and deceive...it's not the same like when you meet someone in person and look at there body languange and demeanor-simply put, some ppl act tough on the internet..hell, some post silly fake pics of themselves. It's better to be humble and let ppl decide for themselves-word of mouth is best...you have to think three dimensional too, we the customers have heard all of this before...usually tough talk is just that...if that's not you than great!!! your the source we've been dreaming and wishing for...when you said "Alot of ya'll were sucking his cock because he was offering $25 bottles of shit with labels that looked like a symbol for a winged super heroe. Fucking SAD!..that's a blanket statement and an insult to many of us on this board to include the MOD's and others...hey, many of us work hard and have kids too..and probably lost our home and jobs-who knows...of course we are going to be drawn to a bargain-sometimes the bargain bites us in the ass...I just tell it like it is...I am not mad or upset...to be honest right now I have been waiting on my shit for 3 weeks and some change from a source who's AWOL (Oscaro)...I am out of everything and it has been a horrible month for me too because I had to scrape money to fly to MD to bury a fellow Marine.
Wait- I'm not humble? I talk tough? I am not the source people have been dreaming about. People are dreaming about those cheap ass sources they have. Problem is what they dont know. Like Rorarch just said crappy security, crappy production(which is the standard) and cheap ass prices. That's a BARGAIN? Which they sell more so they have to order more powders and take more risks. But What I'm saying truely is this: i give a fuck about my men Marine. Let me talk to you so you can see what I mean: On a 14 mile hump w/ a 60lb pack- when your ass is sitting down on a rest stop- who's work begins? Whos giving you salt pills electrolytes and putting band aides on your blisters? When I was at Pendleton I was that guy. Corpsman. The hump was my rest- DONT call me no fucking salesman jack. I bust my ass where it counts for my bros- Esprit De Fucking Corps- OOo-Rah! And I wont call you Sir Bc we work for a fucking living!
It's not a blanket statement- it's a statement that only applies if you were kissing his ass or sucking his cock because he pretended to serve your purpose for your money. He was a goddamn 20-21 yr old drug addict that was on oxycontons so bad he had 500 of them according to his own words! The mods and or admin at the time that WERE warned- should take offense at me saying that if they did'nt investigate or care when warned AND sucked his cock! Furthermore the owner himself(old one) should take offense that his fellow admin Mighty was a scammer and wanna be idiot pretender and he knew he owed and did shit! So dont fuckin try to pull rank and get back up bc there is a new improved guard here that has balls. I dont have that mentality. I dont want my ass kissed and believe I wont be kissing yours for no amount of money leave that to the pro slaves- I mean athletes. I'm not a political Soldier I'm a warrior and that's why I got out of the corps- men or no men the purpose has to be righteous and I cant follow blindly nor lead my men into shit that stinks! That is also why I quit a boxing career of over 40 Amateur fights and not even a few losses and 2-0 as a pro both k.o.s because I aint nobodies' pawn for no amount of money not even my financial backers' Who owned one of the most voluminous Mercedes dealerships on the west coast!

As a matter of fucking fact! Rorarch take my fucking list down please (no disrespect bro)- I fuckin hate salesmen and anybody who says I'm one can kiss my ass bc you're so ass backwards you think the real motherfucker is a salesman and the salesman is a real motherfucker.
I'm not just talk- Take my fucking list down- come talking to me with that bullshit- It takes 20 times more time and effort to produce my product- I have'nt disrespected nobody but I've been disrespected! I got this punk ass kissing kid accusing me of being someone else and saying fuck you but then explains himself like he dont have the balls to just say it and stand behind it- then this guy might as well call me a salesman and pull some kinda cry for support bullshit? Too fucking political! I got more time and money in my labels and factory sterilized vials than most sources got in their whole bottle. After Many low stress years of dealing with quality guys in the real world who dont as Zodiac said hide behind internet facades- I am a goddamn fool to come on the net and subject myself to bros who cant fathom a guy would put hisself through ten times more effort just for their sake. Certainly not for more profit! Every goddamn bottle of my gear is syringe filtered directly into a factory sealed and factory sterilized vial. Air never touches my shit after filtering. It takes an 8 hr day just to filter a batch of 1 product. I guess ya'll have been sold so much bullshit that ya'll believe it and the truth sounds like bullshit! Typical fucking gringos- Ya'll dont give a shit about nothing but having your egos stroked- well hire a whore for that but remember the whore truely hates you while stroking your ego to get what she wants. I'm not a whore. But that's what 90% of sources are.
AJ, Rorarch, Please good bros- take my list down- but I'm telling every fake ass bro 2 things:
1- now I'm really gonna open my mouth and 2- any of you that think I'm a salesman-
THeres your fucking salesman motherfucker! I been living undeground for- over 15 yrs. You got guys that brew and everything at their house- I pay for storage fees, and rent a seperate place to do dirt and more. When the next ORD comes along your name will be on a list!

Enjoy your roid flus that you've been lied to and told was from BA- what bullshit! 2% BA dont cause roid flu dead bacteria does! When your body adjust to that it has a lower response to live bacteria.
humble? Only non humble people talk about humbleness or humility. I'm not trying to be humble or cocky just honest. When I'm wrong or enligghtened I say I'm wrong or I'm sorry when I mess up. But I'm not gonna go outta my way to pretend or sell myself or you or anybody that I am humble. for you to sit there and try to speak for everyone like you some kind of fucking heroe or mother hen is the ultimate not humbleness- that's egotistical as hell and THAT is an insult to everyone! I'm just? I'm not just doing anything- I AM calling fake ass bros fake ass bros and I dont have to JUSTify it. If it applies wear it! Take offense. Get defensive and attack. If it dont apply move on or dig it. Difference is youre directing something directly at me.
Just take my list down please. Now what's my agenda?
I guess to only expose now instead of serve by exposing the truth then try to serve you by offering an better alternative!

Now bash.

tilltheend

10-06-2009, 06:41 AM

Since Day 1 on ASN Spectrums' board -my first board in 2002 I have been apollo. I have been therealapollo and stripperapollo on a board where apollo was already taken. On oneboard I forgot how to log in after much time off of it so I re-registered as fuckin-apollo! and notified a moderator I know personally from that board. Other than that- I have never used another name on a board. I have never had any drama on a board nor has my standupness been questioned except when I was in a wreck and owed 2 people less than $225 for about 10 days- even though everyone was informed. I was asked about someone scamming me and was honest. I had an idiot off this board try and scam me- threatened to nark on me. That was all handled behind the scenes.
Good business move? LMAO! A good business move in the sense that you mean would be to kiss ass and sell a 3 day T/A .
However for ME it IS a good business move because I will avoid dealing with dumbasses like you who are too young for my 23 and over rule anyway. Any of the rest of you yunguns take note and go to the next source too. You're too goddamn young to even be doing juice! I dont want your youthful stupidity on my conscience. Anyone who does'nt want a superior product but a 6 Postal day T/A or less- NEXT! Anyone who does'nt care about anything but price- NEXT! Anyone who does'nt need an official looking Product to sell- NEXT!
As of right now I dont do any business on the boards except this one and I had some extras on one other board where my name is guess what- apollo. See, I dont rely on the boards for my business. I got most of the same guys I started with 7 years ago still with me. I built slowly. To live- I dont need the boards at all. In total counting the extras- I paid off one short lived debt of GH and made right at about $500 since getting on this board for the 2nd time as: apollo. But since I only want quality customers who I enjoy working with- usually either good bros or quality freaks(the minority) It IS good business for ME.
You could'nt choose to associate with me if you mean dealing with me anyways because based on all your responses to my post- here and else where- I would'nt deal with your say one thing then change it up when I called your ass on it anyways. Revelation: Lack of balls.
Truth be known alot of shit I said has deeply bothered you. So you've pathetically tried to like a woman be passive agressive and get some underhanded get back to make yourself feel better without exposing yourself to be exactly what I'm talking about. I called you out and you changed your story- even edited your post. You know you are a pretender. You might kiss ass to these higher ups and because you lack balls and self-responsibilty you like living under their wings. You think that if you kiss their ass- they'll protect you and maybe it feeds their ego or makes them feel valuable to be a mentor- kinda like an old guy in Prison takes a young buck under his wing but does'nt want to fuck him- it's not gay. But they are wasting their time with a lost guy like you. You're just fatherless or your mama wears the pants if dad is around which I doubt.. It's not your fault- so I aint mad or against you. I just feel sorry for you. You probably blame your father if he's alive but you dont see anything but what your mama says and does. You wanna be a man so bad but you just dont get it. You hav'nt had the example lived out infront of you.
Your pathetic effort to have a spine and take responsibilty and tell me to fuck off is such a joke and scary part is you actually thought you had a choice. You believe your own bullshit. You have no chance of being like me. I terrify you. Just me being me terrifies you boy. You have to try to destroy me or discredit me because I make you feel less of a man. But I'm not your enemy. I'm your friend. Fuck my ego- I'm not even ruled by it so you have no way of manipulating me with it by feeding it like a woman does. So you tried to antagonize me and guess what ego did'nt bite. So now you accuse me of being someone else? Well enlighten us all genuis- who else am I? Oh wait you said if I'm not then youre sorry- well am I or aint I punk? Pull the fucking trigger and take responsibility for and accept the consequences. Dont straddle the fence and half-ass are you accusing me or not? Or are you just reaching so you dont have to be terrified by me? Not me like I'm gonna hunt you down. Me just being the Free Motherfucker that I am? This is what i am. I'm a fucking beast. I wana fuck every bitch I see and I love being a beast. I wont not be a beast for anybody BUT I am also a lover of myself and all people- what you need son is to be and love your beast- the part of you women dont understand and are terrified of and will teach you is bad if you dont have a daddy around to show you how you can be both a lover and beast and it's good. So if you're gonna tell me to fuck off Junior just say: apollo- I think you're full of shit! FUCK You. But be sure lil johnny that you are'nt projecting or using transferrance because I might be exactly what your ass needs to be shown. I'm natural and no system teacher police woman govt or anything under the god who made me in my natural form is gonna tell me or sell me to be different than I am or make me hate it. I own me and my mind therefore I'm free as god made me and good. So if your pulling the trigger son PULL IT dont fuck around and half-ass. What are you saying?
The non caring response for me would be ok- good. Fuck me. LOL! or simply you're funny dude.

Bro LOL you are getting angry, I can tell I was not at all, I edited my post where I said I will not mess with you because of spelling errors. I blame noone not my mom and not my dad for shit. I am a man, a young one though. I was NEVER calling your posts bullshit, they may all be true bro, I believe exactly what you say, but you still know your reasons for the posts also. I won't say it, and you know deep down, and theres nothing wrong with that at all. What your doing is not free, and what you are doing can get one in ALOT of trouble, and your prices are very very fair. I meant no offense to you like I stated, what I told you is I won't associate with you, meaning threads outside this one, or anything of that nature. Thats all. And No my mom won't catch me whacking off , I live in my OWN FUCKING PLACE, infact I take my fleshlight roll up a pillow in a blanket and put my fleshlight inbetween my couch cushins and I fuck the shit out of it after I had it in some warm water, right in the middle of my fucking living room.

tilltheend

10-06-2009, 06:57 AM

apollo

10-06-2009, 09:29 AM

Oh and I figure I won't edit my posts becuase if exposes my fakeness, bro noone is scared of you, I am not an e-thug but you sound like it, why would I be scared of you? You think because you got money I am scared? I don't mean to get off topic I just felt I should addres that. And I don't kiss anyones ass bro, you have no idea about me. I learned the unspoken rules by watching them, I never asked. I really do not like drama I don't like starting it, you seem more like a woman than me, you got all pissy when I told you, I won't associate with you. I am no e-thug, you could be 300lbs for all I know, and a fucking black belt in BJJ. AND NO I DID NOT MEAN FUCK YOU FUCK YOU, I MEANT I AM NOT GOING TO MESS WITH YOU THATS ALL PLEASE DON'T BE ANGRY, YOU DID NOT LOSE ANYTHING AND YOU WOULD NOT OF GAINED SHIT FROM ME I AM NOTHING TRUST ME NOR DID YOU LOSE ANY SALES FROM MY POSTS THEY WILL READ WHAT I WROTE AND BLOW IT OUT THEIR ASS.

Listen to this: YOU ARE GODDAMN RIGHT I'M ANGRY? You Openly accuse me of being someone else without proof. PUT UP OR SHUT UP BITCH! I dont source on ANY board now so ANYONE who says I have an agenda has NO leg to stand on. You might as well have accused me of being a scammer. I did'nt hide any part of my business from members except security type shit. Matter of fuckin fact- I was the only source that revealed the entire process of my brewing and explained why it was done that way. I did'nt just say: "twice filtered under a Larimar flow hood" which 99% of the time will be bullshit and twice filtering means shit if it were true by itself when product is exposed to air in any way.
So nothing you say holds a syringe full of water. You So dont get it. Scared of me bc I have Money? That shows you right there. You're just making up shit son.

Lets put this in perspective right fuckin now.
Superbee, Rorarch, AJ
This yungun has accused me openly of being someone else. Please make him proove what he's saying as I did when I revealed certain people in All those e-mails sent and PM's. Otherwise?
You opened you mouth so lets hear it- Put up or expose YOU are the one with an agenda.

While you are making 800 something post (mostly 2 liners or less) I'm serving this community by Being in a Lab 8 hrs- not talking.
This is a sacrifice and for what? I could Steri top filter and pour and do a months work in 8 hrs that way. So why do I not- tell me. Why do I take that time away from my kids? Tell me you unappreciative puke. Then when you try to post anything longer than 3 lines you say one thing and mean another bc you keep editing and changing your post. You have the fucking agenda.

So prove it. If not you owe me an apology.

Who else am I? Proof.

Exactly.

apollo

10-06-2009, 10:04 AM

Money! LMAO! I drive a fucking scooter 90% of the time. If they busted me they would'nt be writing about $50,000 in cash and a corvette.

"Oaktown police busted an alledged steroid dealer today finding A mini van with 3 car seats and a joovy big caboose stroller in the back and $1.50 in change in the change holder. Known as apollo on the boards He owns nothing in his name but a chinese motor scooter and they found $180 in cash and an account with $1,000 dollars in it. They found a not one steroid or any remnants of one in his home but they have some post alledgedly made by him on a message board. They alsop confiscated what seemed to be alot of kids pool toys, some camping gear a surfboard, scuba gear and a vast collection of lesbian porn.' Give me a fucking BREAK! Money. LMAO! I live on an older boat that does'nt even run. Yeah it's over 33' but it's just Peace. Yes I'm partners in a place in the island and yes I support my kids and their mama as she dont work but they live in a modest apt. Money- Honestly if it were'nt for my kids- I'd deliver pizza and since I only pay $350/ mo dock fees- I'd save up enough to go camping, surfing and other shit I enjoy. I dont need money to be happy - trust me. My money is not even mine- 85% of it goes to my kids or their ******* ****. I hate fucking money. If I was rich I'd probably not live much different though- I prefer living on a boat. I have a lil mazda rx 7 convertible that I'd probably put a v8 in and it's not in my name. I'd travel more doing eco shit. I 'm a nature freak. That dont cost much money.
I do have a 14 ft small boat I go fishing in and duck hunting. But being a felon I have to borrow my ole budys' gun. Oh they would find some $100 running shoes and a set of 100 lb dumbells I use to curl and do presses with if I cant make the gym that day. Keep em in the trunk of my vert.
Oh, I hardly ever juice anymore bc maintaining 235-240 at 6'1 and around 10% BF is easy for me. I've been thinking about starting HRT though and this is how thorough I am about security. I will have my shit hid in the marina and sneak at night to take a shot once a week. I also spend alot keeping everything seperate and out of my hands.

juicemansouth86

10-06-2009, 10:34 AM

So true....So true!!! Good post bro.

apollo

10-06-2009, 02:46 PM

Look, I'm calming down now but after being sick and on meds for a cpl of days and then spent about 8 hrs total in Production. I may have been a lil irritable. Do I retract anything I said? No. Might I have been a lil too harsh with my honesty? Yeah bc I have to understand everybody is'nt like me. I know I'm a rare bird. Not any better just coming from a different position.
Zodiac, I need to understand the sources that have come around and went. For me I dont want that relationship with any of you guys. I dont want to use eachother. My ideals have always been a lil lofty. I'd rather have 2 or 3 straight up Bros that believe in this and care about it. That's the reason I get pissed. I truely do care about all my fellow men. Not just guys my age or into my sports or my race or my nationality- hell even the publicans love their own- if you've read the bible. I cant be like that. I go to another country- I treat those people as my brothers- never in a condesending way like I'm great for doing so. I'm more a free-loving type. As much as I love other beings I hate the braintraining we recieve in America from media, spoon feducation and our Govt. and allcountries from religion. So I dont always like what people do or say but I understand alot of times they've been subtley lead to believe it's right or ok.
Now as much as I'd rather hug you like you were my brother when I see you(anyone) I wont take shit from ANYBODY foreign or domestic black purple or a hermaphrodite. I follow natures laws and when man's laws or ideas are against nature- I ABSOLUTELY side with Nature. I believe that as men we are the physical rulers of the universe and that better be respected by others and ourselves and that we should never give that power away. I love men.
I hate what is against nature. I hate outside control. destruction of privacy and freedom. Not freedom as license to do whatever one want but freedom through self-responsibility. I believe that our natural alchemy of being testosterone governed is good as womens alchemy of being estrogen governed is good to. In all of natutre those 2 are harmonious except in the trained human mind that the govt wants to divide and conquer as one method to control. Battle of sexes and racial bullshit is shoved down our throat! When I go to the Dominican Republic- I see much poorer people- much happier people- much less governed people and a wilder country. Call me crazy but I like it. IMaybe there's a very slight predujice with the haitians but the light skinned and dark skinned Dominicans that I see treat eachother as equals. I stay at my friends house over there and the electricity may go out for 8 or so hours a day/night and he lives off a dirt road and he dont drive a cadillac but all hes always laughing and smiling and hugging and kissing his 100 friends. Here we got conflict with someone al the time. I believe being slaves to dollars is a huge part of that. I hate Corporations.
All I'm saying is this:
I'm gonna make money doing what I do. I know that. To me that money does'nt mean things. It means being Free. Free to live outside of govt taxes and hoops to jump through and without outside control- freedom for me and my bros to be even more manly in an all to feminine and queer nation. Free to do with OUR bodies as we wish and take responsibility for it.
But what the fuck does it all mean if I'm just a selfish motherfucker and dont care about my brothers health? It means a moving spot of 6'1 237 lbs- nothing more- in other words if it's all about self- it means very little and I'll get caught bc my subconsciousness will lead me to get caught or be self destructive. However, if it means all of us bros, our rights and our freedom and even Love. I am a part of something much greater and more important than myself or my agenda. That is what this community should be about. That is being brothers in a fight for our freedom and natural rights to be FREE MEN. I told you I am a warrior- this is my fight. And for mine and our freedom. Mental freedom especially.
That's where I'm coming from Mis Hermanos.
I been a selfish studly mof'r b4. just partying and fuckin hoes and stripping on tour or bein a pro wrestler in Japan and PR and pimpin a 500sec amg benz all jacked and lean and quite honestly I'm a good looking mofo. But I was self destructive because my subconscious hated what I was being. I also was a mean mofo and hurt alot of people too. At some point I made a promise to myself to learn to heal and heal more bros than I hurt. I became a chiropractor not licensed, accupressurist, took my Navy/Marine medical training much further- studied and I even had the prison gaurds coming to me to help them and their families. A lil Jail/Prison time(8 mos of it in the hole for uniting prisoners in a peaceful protest for our rights) gave me time to realize I could no longer damage my subconsciousness by being a selfish prick. Being an extremeist- as most of us are- I took it to the extreme opposite. That's why I been here for 7 years and that's why I'm a different type source and one you can trust.
That's why it hurts my feelings and therefore pisses me off when I'm accused of being a fake. Because this is what my life is about and sacrificed for. I wont change it regardless unless Something or someone above me shows me my fight is wrong but I see every day it is not.

zodiac

10-06-2009, 02:58 PM

Apollo, your'e a little weird man...you and Kai should talk....honestly, I want to try that gear you speak of.....yes, poor countries are better...thailand and singapore are my favorite...I stepped on those yellow footprints in '92-MCRD-SD.-

tilltheend

10-06-2009, 04:42 PM

Apollo when i accused you of being someone else i meant nothing wrong. I was not saying your a scammer or a different source, i was just thinking you were a regular old brother on the boards who just made up an alias for security reasons and I was saying if I talk to you previously i did not want to offened you and I had no clue who you might be this shit is easy for anyone to jump into , and theres nothing wrong with that everyone does that. i apologize that i offended you and accused you of being someone else even though i meant the accuasation in a different way than you thought. you keep twisting my words. You keep assuming. I am nothing like you think. I promise. Your views on things you have no idea how much i have already thought the same thing. To me it sounds like you lived a dream life.good for you. Me my life isn't noone owes me shit i could end up in a box tomorrow, noone would care but a few and the world would move on and i know this. I am not your average 21 year old. All i meant to you when i said not deal with you is i didn't want to. You seemed to of bashed tons things in your posts and maybe you didn't maybe i assumed. Everyone has to start somewhere. To me you came on made this expose, then a list comes up. I understand your views totally, i totally agree on keeping everyone free and strong. I try to watch for suspicous people to help guys like you. It all got blown out of proportion, i guess i should of never said fuck you, and just said i did not want to talk to you is all. Again i apologize. And I edit my posts because I go back and read them and see how to get my point across better.

tilltheend

10-06-2009, 04:44 PM

and I never called you a fake ever search all through my posts I never said you were a fake, and I never implied it.

apollo

10-07-2009, 07:10 AM

Aj help this cat. Seriously. Something's off here.
Slow down Jr. Make sure you say what you mean to and slowly re-read what you say and that it is what you want to say and then stand behind it. Bc every time i've corrected you or called you on something- you've had to go back and say you meant something else.
Maybe you're just testing your boundaries (like young men will do) where it's safe on a msg. board? Maybe you really dont get it? Maybe it's something else? Maybe youre trying to follow AJ and police things up a bit- I dont know exactly. All I know is that you're barking up the wrong tree.
I am not your enemy. I have helped more newbs than I can remember. I'm not bashing newbs. I'm bashing the fucked up way sources and customers deal with eachother and guys that come on here with either mal intent, totally selfish intent or that dont consider others equally valueable aka no brotherhood. Sources, customers, and members alike. But one does'nt have to participate or be part of the brotherhood and that is ok as long as he dont take from it or try to do harm to anyone. I have no problem with guys who log on and read and never contribute- negatively or positiveley. Keeping to themselves is perfectly fine.
It's the lies and manipulations and even made up shit and the mal intent or totally selfish at others' expense that screw these boards up.
Ask aj what I'm talking about. He gets frustrated too. You obviously relate to him a lil better. I'm kinda raw and redneck and he speaks a lil more educated. LOL! But he cares- I care otherwise I'd spend alot less time and make alot more money. I certainly would'nt post and source. I'd just source. Let the old hat lies do the selling- that would be the best business ploy. Not me speaking blunt truth that probably scares away alot of customers. But good- I dont want those customers anyway.

tilltheend

10-07-2009, 03:46 PM

Ok I am sorry for the problem I caused with you. I backed down already and I never stood up I spoke what I did, I believe 110% what you say about your products and I never said they weren't what you say. If we were face to face and you are what you say you would pound the fuck out of me. From a personal stand point I am nothing but a blade of grass compared to you and I understand this.You win, you already won it before what you thought was started was started bro, lets just drop it.

tilltheend

10-07-2009, 03:55 PM

And when I go back and edit my posts bro it is before anyone even responded to them. I just wanted to get that across and I made a new posts so I don't keep editing them, this popped into my head after I posted.

apollo

10-24-2009, 12:01 PM

Bump origonal post.

hicktown

10-26-2009, 03:06 PM

good write up and honesty my friend. thats what its all about..

Deepsouth

10-27-2009, 07:10 AM

There are plenty of good peeps on these boards, but there are to many Keyboard Cowboys that try and be what they are not. Its not hard to find the good and bring this community back to what it once was- it just takes a little weeding out

MartyRobbins

10-27-2009, 04:40 PM

Thats what the heak Im talking about, Deep words here that just slap the truth out there. Im new here but Im liking the enviroment already. Im a nobody just been around for a couple of years and dont know what goes on behind the scenes, but respect you guys who lay it on the line and help the newbs.

I do realize there are fake arse people out there and they need to be called out. Its getting like that everywhere or any biz now a days.

My point being : My hat off to the "REAL BROS", yall are appriciated

P.S. Damn good reads!!!