SAD BUT TRUE!!!!

[harleyc]

ANNND if the health bill is passed it will be MUCH worse--loss of more rights- -
Come on Americans get participating and get rid of Americas worse enemy--THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION and POLITICIANS in office before it is too late !!!!!!!!!!!!

LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.



IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE
WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO
ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

* A JOB,
* A DRIVERS LICENSE,
* SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
* WELFARE,
* FOOD STAMPS,
* CREDIT CARDS,
* SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
* FREE EDUCATION,
* FREE HEALTH CARE,
* A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
* BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR [UTF-8?]COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU
[UTF-8?]DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
* AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.


I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE [UTF-8?]SITUATION

[hardhead]

I could not have said it any better. It is crazy. Gotta love the billions of dollars being spent on border control.

[BLAST INC]

ANNND if the health bill is passed it will be MUCH worse--loss of more rights- -
Come on Americans get participating and get rid of Americas worse enemy--THE CURRENT
ADMINISTRATION and POLITICIANS in office before it is too late !!!!!!!!!!!!

LET ME SEE IF I GOT THIS RIGHT.



IF YOU CROSS THE NORTH KOREAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET 12 YEARS HARD LABOR.

IF YOU CROSS THE IRANIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU ARE DETAINED INDEFINITELY.

IF YOU CROSS THE AFGHAN BORDER ILLEGALLY, YOU GET SHOT.

IF YOU CROSS THE SAUDI ARABIAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE JAILED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CHINESE BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU MAY NEVER BE HEARD FROM AGAIN.

IF YOU CROSS THE VENEZUELAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE BRANDED A SPY AND YOUR FATE
WILL BE SEALED.

IF YOU CROSS THE CUBAN BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU WILL BE THROWN INTO POLITICAL PRISON TO
ROT.

IF YOU CROSS THE U.S. BORDER ILLEGALLY YOU GET

* A JOB,
* A DRIVERS LICENSE,
* SOCIAL SECURITY CARD,
* WELFARE,
* FOOD STAMPS,
* CREDIT CARDS,
* SUBSIDIZED RENT OR A LOAN TO BUY A HOUSE,
* FREE EDUCATION,
* FREE HEALTH CARE,
* A LOBBYIST IN WASHINGTON
* BILLIONS OF DOLLARS WORTH OF PUBLIC DOCUMENTS PRINTED IN YOUR LANGUAGE
* THE RIGHT TO CARRY YOUR [UTF-8?]COUNTRY’S FLAG WHILE YOU PROTEST THAT YOU
[UTF-8?]DON’T GET ENOUGH RESPECT
* AND, IN MANY INSTANCES, YOU CAN VOTE.


I JUST WANTED TO MAKE SURE I HAD A FIRM GRASP ON THE [UTF-8?]SITUATION

you dont get a social crossing the boarder illegally bullshit
you know how hard it is for a paisa to get a fucking social? I am from mexico dog take it from somoebody who knows

you cant get a drivers license without a social
there are tons of white trash on food stamps equally

the problem wtih mexicans and repopulating is they dont inform their children about SEX EDUCATION or practicing safe sex.They Dont inform their kids what condoms are. thats why most mexican chicks get knocked up their first time having sex . spanish was spoken here before english bro you seeem to forget especially in california. Florida was discovered first by spain/portugal before John smith hit plymouth rock

as you can see, most mexicans dont want to live here. they are here to work and send money home.

I think its cool we bring our culture, unlike many of european decent.

[TheChosen1]

you dont get a social crossing the boarder illegally bullshit
you know how hard it is for a paisa to get a fucking social? I am from mexico dog take it from somoebody who knows

you cant get a drivers license without a social
there are tons of white trash on food stamps equally

the problem wtih mexicans and repopulating is they dont inform their children about SEX EDUCATION or practicing safe sex.They Dont inform their kids what condoms are. thats why most mexican chicks get knocked up their first time having sex . spanish was spoken here before english bro you seeem to forget especially in california. Florida was discovered first by spain/portugal before John smith hit plymouth rock

as you can see, most mexicans dont want to live here. they are here to work and send money home.

I think its cool we bring our culture, unlike many of european decent.

I see your point, BLAST. But as my girl once pointed out to me, when Puerto Rico (where she's from) became part of the United States, it was required that the PR learn English in order to cope with the Americans who spoke no Spanish. Therefore, I think that should be the case in California. I used to work at a Burlington Coat Factory in Mission Viejo, CA and sadly, 90% of the Mexicans working there did not have proper work documents to work there and 60% of the Mexican (but not other Spanish speaking cultures) spoke little or no English. It created havoc when a customer could not get any help because the saleslady spoke no English.

But in regards to your theory, I'm from Louisiana and Louisiana was French before it became Spanish and American. So does that mean that Louisianians should speak French & Spanish, as well as English?

[ARX International]

This in my Theory!! If u reside in the usa u should speak fckn ENGLISH !!!!

I have no problem with illegals doin 99% of all the work American Citizens dont wanna do,but when i order a fckn taco from Taco Bell I shouldnt hafta order it in Spanish!

No what i mean essay's :-)


ARX

[zodiac]

Yes, some of that is true. However, you must recognize we are the super power, the most supreme country on this fucking planet, what do you expect? really. If Haiti was our neighboring country then it would be all about these fucking haitians coming here...it's a great topic to discuss but you must be mature and reasonable as well-you and your family would do the same thing...oh, you wouldn't want a better life for you and your kids?, an opportunity to work!!! yes, I said work!!! Now I have awakened a controversial subject, here it goes: note to all of you: I live in Southern California-expensive as fuck, the best of the best in some regards. Culture, music, food, life-styles of all sorts everywhere-I love it, and sometimes I hate it. Now, to my point: when is the last time you saw a mexican asking for money? I see all the other races doing this, and you know what? they have a social security card, perhaps not a place to live but they can if they really wanted to. I am one of those who has a job working behind the scenes and even for you who don't you cannot tell me your such a moron to dismiss the fact that these illegals make this place run and work like a well oiled machine? who cuts your lawn? or your parent lawn for some of you..who cooked your meal at Macaronni grill, Chilis, or PF Chang's bistro?...Uhmmmm probably someone who rode a bike to work-or a car they saved up for. Who washed your ride, who served you at 3am at Mc Donalds after the party or club? Ok, you get my point. These ppl have 2 jobs, live in a crowded house or apartment-well, some do but they never quit! Become a friend of one of these compas, carneles, paisas, etc.and it's good times...some ignorant ppl say: they come here to take our jobs, really!! Oh bullshit mother fucker!! your telling me there taking your place at your job? negative!!! they take whatever job they can, they take the jobs that most don't want to do...who you think cleans those parking lots at 2am with a little truck and hose? who really cooked your steak at that expensive steak house, cleaned the mall and dirty ass bathrooms..mexican bitch...

Mexi-can !!!!!

And no, I am not Mexican or white.

It's not there fault they are afforded those things.


Those countries are shit!! complete shit-holes and the laws are critically reflective of that.

Nice topic Harley-atleast some ppl are thinking beyond the classifies..some of you dick weeds is all you think of ...arrogance and greed is a mother fucker!

If your wondering my credentials: since early 2000 on some boards, been to the middle east, shit in a hole I dug in Iraq, South West Asia, Somolia, ..Thailand was the best time of my life..and oh, fuck Europe!

[harleyc]

Guys no where in the post does it say mexicans!!!! Its to all that are not from the USA!!! Its great that we can help other people around the world but they need to come to the USA the right way. Bottom line!!!!

[Morgankane]

The world common language today is English.
Its spoken in more countries then any other language.
Most people in this country does speak English.
All government business on both state and federal is conducted in English.

If immigrants comes here legal or illegal they should learn the language.
how do you expect to participate in life without communications?
It severely limits your opportunities when you dont speak English.

Illegals does not get fee health care. They might steal the service by using the ER and not pay for it. But its not free.

I dont blame the illegals for coming. Rest assure I would be a wetback if I could not put food on the table for my family. Most of them that comes works their ass off for very little and lives like shit just to support their families back home. I have more respect for them than the American deadbeats living off welfare for most of their life.

I do blame us for not securing borders and making this a huge political tool.

Allowing people not to learn the language is a huge mistake. Having options to press 2 for Spanish and find everything in Spanish will not make people try. The lack of communications drives people a part and makes it more difficult then it needs to be.

And for what its worth - neither English or Spanish was the first language spoken by the first settlers. Columbus was just a show off - the vikings had already been here and done that by the time he showed up :)

[BIG-K]

Hey what about the Navajo, the Cherokee, the apache. I think they owned this land first.

[harleyc]

so true Big K they got fucked big time, Very sad!!!! :(

[BLAST INC]

I see your point, BLAST. But as my girl once pointed out to me, when Puerto Rico (where she's from) became part of the United States, it was required that the PR learn English in order to cope with the Americans who spoke no Spanish. Therefore, I think that should be the case in California. I used to work at a Burlington Coat Factory in Mission Viejo, CA and sadly, 90% of the Mexicans working there did not have proper work documents to work there and 60% of the Mexican (but not other Spanish speaking cultures) spoke little or no English. It created havoc when a customer could not get any help because the saleslady spoke no English.

But in regards to your theory, I'm from Louisiana and Louisiana was French before it became Spanish and American. So does that mean that Louisianians should speak French & Spanish, as well as English?

IVE BEEN OUT IN MISSION VIEJO BRO . ORANGE COUNTY RIGHT? IM IN SD.
I AGREE ALL PEOPLE LIVING HERE NEED TO LEARN ENGLISH!! IF THEY DONT THAT IS FUCKING STUPID, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

LEARNING LANGUAGES IS EMPOWERMENT!!! IM ALL FOR IT

BUT IM JUST TELLING YOU PERSPECTIVE OF SOME HARD HEADED MEXICANS
IM NOT ONE, BUT MANY ARE, WE CALL THEM MACHISTOS, THEY TREAT THEIR WOMEN LIKE CRAP, THEY ARE THE INDIAN LOOKING MEXICANS.

PS MOST OF THE MEXICANS YOU SEE DRIVING BIKES WITH BAGS OF BEER ARE GUATAMALAN AND SALVADORIAN NOT MEXICAN

[TheChosen1]

IVE BEEN OUT IN MISSION VIEJO BRO . ORANGE COUNTY RIGHT? IM IN SD.
I AGREE ALL PEOPLE LIVING HERE NEED TO LEARN ENGLISH!! IF THEY DONT THAT IS FUCKING STUPID, KNOWLEDGE IS POWER!

LEARNING LANGUAGES IS EMPOWERMENT!!! IM ALL FOR IT

Chill out with the CAPS, BLAST. It might make others think that you're screaming/yelling in your posts. LOL As for me, it's all good. But you are correct, bro. Mission Viejo is in the O.C. and that was a long as drive for me to and from the Valley.

My biggest laugh would have to be when I was back home in New Orleans. I was working at Eckerd Drugs and there was a coworker named Stephanie. She and I were the bona fide smart asses of the store.

One evening, I remember she and I, along with about 2 more coworkers, were talking to each other as we were getting our assignments done. While laughing and talking, I had noticed this really cute, young Hispanic (maybe Mexican) girl, who couldn't have been any more than about 14 years old, enter the store with her grandmother. As we were talking, the grandmother stared at me really hard with a look of confusion. After they'd left the store, I told Steph, "I wonder what her problem was. Did you notice her and the way she kept looking at me?" Stephanie told me, "She was probably wondering why your ass was talking English rather than Spanish. You know your ass look Puerto Rican." :D

Even to this day, I get that from Mexicans here in California. They automatically assume that I'm either Mexican or Puerto Rican and instantly speaks Spanish to me. Hell, there are even times when my girlfriend would talk Spanish to me and her daughter have to remind her that I don't speak it.

[BLAST INC]

Chill out with the CAPS, BLAST. It might make others think that you're screaming/yelling in your posts. LOL As for me, it's all good. But you are correct, bro. Mission Viejo is in the O.C. and that was a long as drive for me to and from the Valley.

My biggest laugh would have to be when I was back home in New Orleans. I was working at Eckerd Drugs and there was a coworker named Stephanie. She and I were the bona fide smart asses of the store.

One evening, I remember she and I, along with about 2 more coworkers, were talking to each other as we were getting our assignments done. While laughing and talking, I had noticed this really cute, young Hispanic (maybe Mexican) girl, who couldn't have been any more than about 14 years old, enter the store with her grandmother. As we were talking, the grandmother stared at me really hard with a look of confusion. After they'd left the store, I told Steph, "I wonder what her problem was. Did you notice her and the way she kept looking at me?" Stephanie told me, "She was probably wondering why your ass was talking English rather than Spanish. You know your ass look Puerto Rican." :D

Even to this day, I get that from Mexicans here in California. They automatically assume that I'm either Mexican or Puerto Rican and instantly speaks Spanish to me. Hell, there are even times when my girlfriend would talk Spanish to me and her daughter have to remind her that I don't speak it.

I am a light skinned mexican so i get it a lot too
im in SD bro, my gf is from compton and watts
you in san fer?

[Big Dan]

This is a good topic. I used to be a supervisor at a plant that was i would say about 75 to 80 percent hispanic. Some were legal and others were illegal. But would work there asses off for me. They tried to teach me spanish but all i ever picked up was the dirty words. But most of them spoke english or learned english in my over eight years working with them. I made alot of friends with them and they still come see me at my current job, sometimes just for advice. If our country was smart they make the illegals legal and get them the proper papers so we could start collecting taxes from them. Its not there fault they are able to take advantage of our flawed system. And for jobs most of them were doing jobs that americans would not do. Americans have become very lazy and want high paying jobs to do nothing. Sad things I have seen is kids being made to work by there parents.. I'm talking about 12yr olds and 14yr olds in a plant working when they sould be at school enjoying being a child. They came in with papers saying they were 18 yrs no one checks and puts them to work. They would tell me there real age because they trusted me. Some i talked out of being there but others stayed. Very sad. Mexicans get blamed for this but its our systems loop holes that allows this to happen. But I do think that if you come to this country you should learn english as I would tell my employees that if I went to Mexico I would learn spanish. But I dont blame anyone for trying to make a better life for them and there families. Some came from towns that only had one phone in the whole town very poor conditions. I am white and have much respect for all races and I love to learn from all cultures. Its our goverment that loves to put this out there just for voting power, if they would get off there fat asses and change some things in the laws and get all illegals to get proper paper work and start holding bunisses accountable for not checking properly you would see alot of things change. But hell if I could get away with it I would too. They just take advantage of our stupid system.

[apbt549]

this country has became a country that does not want to hust anybody's feelings they don't to tell the country you have to know english. you walk into a restreuant in miami and you speak englaish they will look at you like your crazy.

and has far as the race thing there are worthless peices of shit on all races. example my gf's exhusband is more the 50k bhind in child support the only time she gets any money from him is when he is on unemployment so that means we tax payers are paying for his child support throw his ass in jail. it took her 1.5years to get him in court and when she did the judge gave him probation b/c he doesn't have a job like all of that child support came from the last 6 months. he hasn't talked to his son in almost 2years hasn't got him anything for christmas or for his birthday this type of things happens with all races let me take care of it start putting your foot in there ass and get them going. the more kids you have the more food stamps you get and welfare.. it really is a messed up country we have become.....


you think the powers in office look at me and you like there equal? think again those people think they are better then the avg man or women....

i got her son his first bike and got him a xbox 360 this year for christmas and when she moved in with me i got all 3 of her kids a flat panel 32 tv mounted on there wall with directv in there bedrooms there not my kids but i take care of them like they are its not there fault there fathers are worthless white trash hill billy's

[Big Dan]

That guy is a pice of shit! But like you said my brother they are in every race. Those kids are lucky there mom found a stand up guy like yourself. Those guys are going to need a real man in there lives to teach them right from wrong. Much props my brother. I love my kids and could never check out on them like that.

[TheChosen1]

I am a light skinned mexican so i get it a lot too
im in SD bro, my gf is from compton and watts
you in san fer?

Not san fer. I'm in Burb where all of the TV & cable studios are. In fact, I'm right down the block from the NBC studio (NOPE, never watched "The Tonight Show" live because I never cared to...LOL), one block from Nickelodeon studio, and Cartoon Network is at the corner of the World Gym where I used to train. Where I live, I think Mexicans are actually almost as minority as African-Americans. There are more Armenians here than any other cultures.

[theclap]

This is what I've noticed while living in the southwest.

Yes, immigrants do get tax funded healthcare. When Janet Nap was governor of AZ she petitioned the state legislature to allot more money to the account that paid for health care for illegals because there was only 70million in there and that would only last x# of months.

And I hate to admit this. But I had to get the "welfare" health insurance for a period of time. Everyone in that DES office was speaking spanish. All the letters they send out in the mail come in spanish, and then the translation follows.

Having worked in ERs while going to my paramedic academy I saw tons of illegals come in and get treated for $0. Then the hospital gets to write it off of their taxes, or they get reimbursed from the state. Either way, we pay for it.

And politicians are going to make sure they keep getting these benefits and work as hard as they can to grant them amnesty. Because they want 30million illegals to vote for THEM.

[thud]

This new bill is going to cost so much money it is ridiculous taxpayers are going to be footing the bill not only in taxes but also in the cost of goods from retailers.