Anybody Have any Hobbies?

[apollo]

Hobbies that people do for the pure joy of doing them build true self esteem- not just ego gratification from accomplishment or feeling superior.
For example one of mine is boating. Not so much the boats really as that becomes about biggest or best or whatever but just being out on the water and free and sleeping on a rocking boat with lil waves lapping aginst the hull and being half-naked and meeting other boaters who are generally happy people(while they're boating and not when repairing broken boats- LOL!) and being at the marina where it's away from the fast paced world. just relax and enjoy. Jet skiing is a thrilling hobby I enjoy as well. I want to surf more as i really enjoyed it. Snorkelling is very amazing to me when I'm in the caribbean. And there is no greater enjoyment of freedom than sailing around the caribbean. These are some of my hobbies. I enjoy them especially when combined with my favorite hobby SEX! LOL!

[irish_2003]

i've actually started bouncing/security at the college bars again.....i'm only 5'5" but 18" arms averaging 190 bodyweight right now and the chics dig it....my girl just broke up with me so i needed something to take up my time to get over her.....it's working...the pay sucks but the fringe benefits make up for it

[Toro]

i buy and sell antiques just a great way to relax and get to hear some great stories

[IronpumpedLady]

I actually have a few, both I haven't been doing very long at all. I'm an artist I guess if thats what you'd call it, I started doing oil painting about a year ago.
But my passion is what I started last summer of 2010, bowling~ LOL I absolutely love it! LOL I guess its because its just came so natural for me. I started entering tourny's and have done very well, winning 2 (placed 1st) out of 3, the 3rd which I placed 2nd in. Kind if funny really, if you'd asked me a year ago to bowl I would have laughed~!! LOL



Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[ldmass175]

I've been playing the drums since I was about 10 years old, so I usually get on there a few times a week and piss my neighbors off. I also go offroading in the jeep every once and a while and as for the road and making my butthole pucker I get on the GSXR .

[gotclen]

I'm a wood worker. Finish carpentery type stuff. Have buillt many pcs of furniture, tons of remodeling. Also enjoy working in the yard and gardening type stuff. I found out long ago life is too short to be to one minded. We all need more in our life beside weights.

[apollo]

Irish- I've always said the best way to get over one is to get another one or many other ones- LOL! Amen bro- so you're sayin acumulating hoches at the bar is your new Hobby? I'm freakin JEALOUS! LOL! I remember those days at 18-21 at the regular club. Older when I was head at titty bars.

Toro, that's gay- LOL! JUST KIDDING. That's awesome! Sounds very healthy. Kudos!

IPL- totally cool. Painting and playing with big huge balls...LOL! Only kidding : ) You should combine the 2 and start custom painting bowling balls. It's cool you found a hidden talent. Good for you IPL. cool

Idmass I used to offroad (more muddin) in my lifted jeep XJ but then I got a landcruiser fj80 and it was even better! But I lost interest for now.
And I definately need to Ride to be sane. Oh and Pissin the neighbors off is always fun!

GOTCLEN- A-Fuckin-Men to this: " life is too short to be to one minded. We all need more in our life beside weights." Fuckin-a right bro. I always wanted to build my own furniture. I might need your skills for my boat!

This is a good healthy thread.

[jaydub]

I play guitar. been at it since i was around 16 years old. love it.. that and i love my Harley. Try to get out and ride as much as i can

[Drew83]

I like photography, i'm not that great but i'm learning. I enjoy my dogs whether it's training, swimming, hiking/snow shoeing with them. They actually reduce my stress almost as much as the gym. I'd like to start going off roading with my jeep but know i can't afford repairs so thats going to have to wait for now until i find a job in my field. I spend a lot of time reading too

[guns01]

hey apollo that is a great hobby my man. i would love to get into that but since i have well over 10 years in the marine corps. that has damn near ruined any chances of me wanting to be on a boat or camping for fun. i do still love to shoot and teach people how to shoot.

[BIG-K]

I'm a wood worker. Finish carpentery type stuff. Have buillt many pcs of furniture, tons of remodeling. Also enjoy working in the yard and gardening type stuff. I found out long ago life is too short to be to one minded. We all need more in our life beside weights.

Bump same here bro love to do yard work...Make waterfalls and stuff in my yard. I also like to ride my harley to, that's very relaxing.

[geeezer]

Target Archery.- 20 yard indoor. average is 299 out of 300 score.

[ketsugo]

Lets see- I have a few and I actually make part time salary with both- One I do landscape and garden design- specializing on Rose and perennials and I have spent 40 years of my life for several hours daily engaging in primitive fighting methods of Asia. I label them as combat or fighting, because I dont consider figthing on the battlefield or to save your life an artform. I dont practice to develop fitness or for asthetic reasons. Of course when I was a child I did practice the Martial Arts of karate,judo ,kung fu, tae kwon do- and yes they are artforms , not really geared for self protection- very contrary to popular belief. I consider Brazilian Jujutsu a form of Judo - because in reality it was developed in the Judo school and the suffix ,"jutsu" refers to battle or war - to me jujutsu was a method of war used to cripple and kill the enemy only- using impact ,edged ,flexible waepons and empty hands- it was considered the method used by the Bushi (soldiers) now called Samurai. Jujutsu is a method of Koryu Bujutsu NOT gendai budo ( arts developed after 1865 time of piece) I also practice Indonesian and filipino weapons and kali, silat , escrima. Oh its a long story- I practice gardening for the same reasons- Every Bushi (samurai) in order to balance the spirit was required to take up some form of aesthetic pursuit since the practice of learning to cripple and kill could lead to an unbalanced spirit LMAO - poetry, music- I chose horticulture ( flowers) he hee hee

[FUZO]

Painting pottery it makes me relaxed and i'm in the zone .

[harleyc]

seeing my self get older everyday!! LOL

[IronpumpedLady]

Gosh I didn't know we were listing everything! LOL


Stay Strong~~!!!
IPL

[rocco-x]

used to draw/paint since childhood and play guitar.even went to our local art museum for classes in studying Monet.actually did quite well .once i allowed my addiction to take over my life i lost feeling for it all.
sure,i'd get clean here and there,try it again and go back to the instant gratification.my ex-wife says she still has some of my work at her house.started getting back into it right when she left me after being clean for about a year.ever since then i've been...well dead inside.
the gym right now is the only thing i've got from eatin a .38+P(ran outta mags.). it's the only place where i have control.just God,me and the steel.it's my sanctuary,my solace and my humility at times when i get too cocky.
when i was in high school my art teacher always told me as i age how things would change and i'd laugh.how right he was.oh yeah,i was a huge WWII model freak.homemade paintbox and all.my thing was post war Soviet aircraft and WWII German armor.can't tell you how many of my built models ended up in shops as dioramas.perhaps one day.

[apollo]

Jaydub, I'm gonna PM you something to check out. What is your fasvorite style of playing?

Drew, you're not that great perv photographer who had some awesome spy shots of poo nanny are you? LOL! What do you enjoy photographing?

Guns, though not for nearly as long as you- I was in the Navy and with the Marines but there is no freedom on those boats or camps. When there's no mission and no threat- one can relax and open their eyes to what's around them and see things as nature intended. No thinking- just letting things be and watching them or being with them. When I just observe nature I learn, am excited and at peace. I sat in the mini van the other day at a marina and watched the eagles soar and play in the wind on a very gusty, windy day. This is what it taught me. The eagles could'nt control the wind(too powerful) but they controlled themselves in the wind and that was their power. They let the higher power have ultimate control, and chose to control what they could their own actions within the wind- the result was them enjoying the wind and themselves: harmony. It was amazing to watch.


Big K - I am with all you harley riders- I like to ride and smile and be friendly with bikers. It really gets on my nerves when as soon as a person gets on their harley they become instant badass with bad attitude- When I'm on mine- I'm just myself but enjoying the ride. Waterfalls! What? That's cool as shit. I always thought about doing that. Do you got any fish in any of them? How fancy a waterfall?

Geezer, there aint no need to come on here braggin- LOL!

Ketsugo- very informative but why did you want to lear so much about fighting? And spend your life involved in it? What do you know of love and/or relationship without fear nor agression?

FUZO- do you not make the pottery too?

Harley- shit- that's all of us man. That's a hobby I'd like to quit. LOL!

Rocco, I'm comin back to you bro but see my reply to guns above for now
about the Eagles. I gotta get sleep! But I do wanna ask you some things.

[Big Dan]

I love to go Trout fishing... My grandpa used to take me all the time when I was young and now my son and I go. Just very relaxing to me. Can fish all day and not catch nothing but very relaxed afterward though.

[jaydub]

Jaydub, I'm gonna PM you something to check out. What is your fasvorite style of playing?.

I can appreciate any style of playing really. My heart is in heavy metal though. Obviosly the guitarist who's style I'd admire most would be the late great Dimebag Darrell... Ballsy, from the gut, full of flavor.

[jaydub]

oh, and I gotta admit I've kinda gotten into Xbox live alot this past year or 2. CALL OF DUTY!!!

[baby1]

Ceramics abd I love to bake and decorate the goods!!!

[apollo]

Big Dan- I wanna go! Man I bet fishing a stream IS relaxing! And partnerin up with one's lil guy is better'n anything for sure. I think I'd enjoy fly fishing. I'm gonna have to give that a try.

jaydub- XBox aint a hobby- it's an addiction! lol


Baby with my mind I just thought of baking and decorating(thinking sweets) until I re-read itlol. So do you also shape it/form it like on a wheel or is that different?

[baby1]

jaydub- XBox aint a hobby- it's an addiction! lol


Baby with my mind I just thought of baking and decorating(thinking sweets) until I re-read itlol. So do you also shape it/form it like on a wheel or is that different?

I actually was talking sweets, lol!! I really enjoy baking and then decorating cakes, cookies, etc. So you were right!

[ketsugo]

APOLLO- good question LOL Ketsugo- very informative but why did you want to lear so much about fighting? And spend your life involved in it? What do you know of love and/or relationship without fear nor agression?

Well- I guess being in a war and watching my friends get killed, also being a Social Worker and having a bunch of criminals on my caseload- having my life threatened, being shot at, as a child I wanted to be Qwai Chai Caine and Batman LOL. I have pursued the clinical study of human relationships and behavior so I know generosity, culture, self reflection, how to protect what I love, stand up for what I believe without fear of death. I live and love every moment. To be alive is a priviledge. Even to suffer or feel pain is a blessing, I know character and empathy, but allow no one to use fear or intimidation against who and what I love. To not undestand what motivates another man, does not make the other man confused- ALthough I walk through the valley of death I fear no evil

[rocco-x]

APOLLO- good question LOL Ketsugo- very informative but why did you want to lear so much about fighting? And spend your life involved in it? What do you know of love and/or relationship without fear nor agression?

Well- I guess being in a war and watching my friends get killed, also being a Social Worker and having a bunch of criminals on my caseload- having my life threatened, being shot at, as a child I wanted to be Qwai Chai Caine and Batman LOL. I have pursued the clinical study of human relationships and behavior so I know generosity, culture, self reflection, how to protect what I love, stand up for what I believe without fear of death. I live and love every moment. To be alive is a priviledge. Even to suffer or feel pain is a blessing, I know character and empathy, but allow no one to use fear or intimidation against who and what I love. To not undestand what motivates another man, does not make the other man confused- ALthough I walk through the valley of death I fear no evili knew you were into some deep stuff ketsugo.i'm actually thinking of getting back into the arts but for now,thank God,my plate is pretty full.studied shotokan,isshin-ryu in high school then souther shoalin forms in my 20's.i decided to let certain ways of the world take me down a different path and...well most of you guys know the rest.i know you've got to watch that show on natgeo with the 2 guys that travel the world searching for each cultures own arts?great show...

[apollo]

Hey baby...I dont know if you're taken or anything and well ...I really dont even care if you're goodlooking....uhm but could like we hang out sometimes? Like at your house? 1 thing though- I cant sit on soft couches bc I have a bad back so I'd have to sit on like kitchen table chairs and it'd be better if I leaned forward as one does while eating so we could you know get to know eachother in your kitchen- wow, that's a nice oven you got there! LMAO!


Ketso- You must be like 100yrs old if you been studying fighting arts (sorry if I called them the wrong thing) for 40 yrs bc you were in a war and bc you are a social worker with hard cases. LOL! What about "why" in the begginning or early years? I'm not givin you shit- I'm honestly interested as to know why.

You mention "culture" I find culture to be a division of mankind and a limitation when one clings too firmly or believes too strongly in their particular set of beliefs or practices or habits or actions of their particular culture.
I'm no sociologist or trained mind of any kind about the subject but having experienced many cultures - it appears to me as culture was developed to bound together for survival and is habitual as for security. Yet as time goes on and mankinds survival is only threatened by their own populating and ignorance(going against the nature that ultimately rules) I see culture as more limiting and devisive than liberating. Anyways- sorry- just as it seems to me.
I get walking tall with confidence one can handle themself and their own. I also get: To put or allow ones' self to be put in those situations is not as foolish as finding ones self in those situations and not being able to- but still foolish all the same.
"fear of death" I used to say that I did'nt fear death. I dont fear it enough to cower or not take the best action(righteous action-for me) in it's face and probably even rebel against it in it's face- lol But I came to see that I still felt the fear. Matter of fact- now that my kids are; I have a fear greater than death that would cause me maybe to be more scared of dying bc of the consequences of me dying for others.
I guess what interest me is 2 fold- what motivates others and what lies we all create for or tell to ourselves and how far people go to proove these self-lies to themselves. I guess it appears to me that thought as anything can be good or bad. And more than likely is both more oft than not. Perhaps it is at the absence of thought where truth beyond this duality is experienced?
My goal is always to see clearly. I'm curious about everything or perhaps just paranoid. LMAO!

[theclap]

i buy and sell antiques just a great way to relax and get to hear some great stories
That's awesome. Not what you would expect from a BBer.


I like photography...

At first I thought you said "Pornography" I was like "hey don't we all?"

My hobbies include napping, peeing in the sink, peeing in the sink at other people's houses, television, reading medical journals and hiking.

[guns01]

dang some of you bros are deep. i can relate to you quite a bit myself ketsugo. all the killing dying and death i have seen in the last 14+ years is enough for 10 ppls lifetimes. if i could get back into the sport fighting game i would but i am by far too banged up at this point.

[Drew83]

haha Apollo no...no perv photography. No one kind of thing, random stuff. wild life, nature (for some reason a lot of different trees), frogs (got some cool ones of them), the dogs. i suck at taking pics of people. I like

[TheyCallMeX]

I restore cars, and I play Blackjack professionally.

By professionally I mean that I don't play into my losses, and that I am a card counter. It isn't full proof by any means as it is glorified to be, but it DEFINITELY helps against the house. I make more playing blackjack in 15 hours bi weekly than I do my 80 hours bi weekly paycheck if that says how well I do.

Sadly I don't get to enjoy it though.

It pays student loans....:(

[TheyCallMeX]

***I meant play into my Winnings. You can't play into your losses. Sorry, 8AM here. lol

[Buck320]

Cooking....love trying to make some of the dishes you see on the foodnetwork shows. I never really understood how challenging it was...until i started cooking and baking.

Hiking and camping also.Blessed to have such nice weather here in the southwest to enjoy both.

[ketsugo]

Well today I have a spitting headache so Ill give you the short answer:
Ketso- You must be like 100yrs old if you been studying fighting arts (sorry if I called them the wrong thing) for 40 yrs bc you were in a war and bc you are a social worker with hard cases. LOL! What about "why" in the begginning or early years? I'm not givin you shit- I'm honestly interested as to know why.

Im 45- at 5 my Uncle had a karate dojo- which in support of my Uncle my parents took me there every day. By the time I was 15 I had 4th dan in Shotokan. SInce then I studied penjak silat. Wing chun, Tae kwon Do 4-6 hours age 16-23 - after school or work. Yes I did join the armed forces and also continue my studies in combat and used the GI Bill to pay for school- I dont see how you find that hard to understand. My life has been decicated to study. I dont talk about Desert Storm much, because I saw many ugly fucking things. When I was 14 0r 15 I began lifting weigths and body building. My days began at 2am to eat breakfast , take my pills and teas. 5am I hit the gym. Then a combo of work and school or this would change when I was in the Army to whatever they asked. At 35 I still hadnt finished school I have my MSW now. There has never been any point in time when I havent trained. So wise guy- yes 40 years martial art training- MSW and I was in the Army. I fought in Desert Storm. Why did I study whe I was a kid? Thats already been answered- I wanted to be Batman or Qwai Chai Caine

[apollo]

Cooking....love trying to make some of the dishes you see on the foodnetwork shows. I never really understood how challenging it was...until i started cooking and baking.

Hiking and camping also.Blessed to have such nice weather here in the southwest to enjoy both.

Well, I dont care if YOU cook or not- I aint flirtin with ya like I did Baby-LMAO!

Ketsugo- LOL! EASY brotha- I was just wanderin and tryin to make sense of it all- time wise I mean. People always tell me that I must be 100 to have done all the things I've done. I like to tell the truth just so they'll think I'm lying- LOL! Hope your head feels better man : ) i'm nippin at your heels age-wise dude.
Were you ever at Benning?

[FUZO]

Hey baby...I dont know if you're taken or anything and well ...I really dont even care if you're goodlooking....uhm but could like we hang out sometimes? Like at your house? 1 thing though- I cant sit on soft couches bc I have a bad back so I'd have to sit on like kitchen table chairs and it'd be better if I leaned forward as one does while eating so we could you know get to know eachother in your kitchen- wow, that's a nice oven you got there! LMAO!




Apollo, that is my wife there bud. I'm the only one who can eat sweets in my kitchen.

[apollo]

Apollo, that is my wife there bud. I'm the only one who can eat sweets in my kitchen.


LMAO! Well, then hey there big studly any time you wanna go boating you just come along and dont worry about the gas or beer- did I mention how much I liked bake sweets? I heard you were a handsome devil....LMFAO!

My bad : )

[airagee23]

I still play bball a little just to make sure I can still dunk. Hence my screen name.

[guns01]

i do the same thing buck. it seems like when i diet down for a show it makes it worse. my last creation was a double choc cake with peanut butter butter cream icing. all made from scratch. i love to cook when i am home and have some down time though. if i were to guess why i do this it would be from eating plan ass tilapia turkey and chicken day in and day out for 12wks

[apollo]

I still play bball a little just to make sure I can still dunk. Hence my screen name.

How tall are you?

Man I need to make friends with you sweets cookers LOL!

[ketsugo]

Well, I dont care if YOU cook or not- I aint flirtin with ya like I did Baby-LMAO!

Ketsugo- LOL! EASY brotha- I was just wanderin and tryin to make sense of it all- time wise I mean. People always tell me that I must be 100 to have done all the things I've done. I like to tell the truth just so they'll think I'm lying- LOL! Hope your head feels better man : ) i'm nippin at your heels age-wise dude.
Were you ever at Benning?

LOL I hear you - I get the same thing- I guess people have a hard time understanding self discipline. Yes I have dedicated my life to training and education. Even as a yong lad. I never went out partying - Dont drink or use recd drugs never have. You are close on one point. Ive only been with 4 women in my life. My current girl 7 years. My first date was at age 18. Between age 22 and 33 - due to being enlisted, my training and school- I never had a date or even a one night stand- So I guess you could say I lack experience in that department, but I dont feel like I missed out on anything. No Benning . There was also a period when my full time job was working at a half way house - where I would arrive at 9pm pour the morning medications, then go to sleep, wake up at 6 administer the meds, make breakfast for 12 people then send them off to day program so 7 hours of my work day were spent sleeping- therefore I could fit in training and school. Of course being around soldiers too- training and teaching opportunities grew as well - I always tried to set up my environment to include training- thats bodybuilding/weighttraining along with combat training. As a child I practiced the popular karate, TKD, Judo , Kenpo- then when I grew up and realized how limited those were for what I need I practiced a whole bunch more, Yeah I fell into the fallacy that Brazilian Jujutsu was good for real situation, but In reality its a very poor means of self defense- Its a sport, its made to practice in the confinds of rules and in an enclosed ring, Every real method of self protection should have offensive and utilize weapons - in the history of man - that has been the law of nature. Koryu- Bujutsu , Silat, filipino kali, particularly use of bladed weapons whether it be knives , swords, machetes or even using a credit card to slice tendons and arteries. A knowledge of anatomy. Back when these so called martial arts were used in battle before guns or bombs were available- they wore armour to protect from these weapons. Punching and kicking were rarely used as a means of fighting because the body was protected. Only the joints were exposed with these armoured bodies- therbye exposing the joints to bone breaking or the arteries to being slashed by a blade. Of course I dont and most will not teach children these ways- thats where all the judo , karate, tae kwon do and kenpo became so popular past 50, 75 years- people dont get that. Jigoro Kano created judo from a synthesis of jujutsu so his dream of teaching children in elementary school could be realized- he also invented the dan ranking system- (colored belts) The Gracies learned from Kano at the kodokan- hence BJJ really is a style or hybird of Judo and jujutsu really is not rolling around using holds or groundfighting. Jujustu was a method of koryu bujutsu- old school methods of war. Everything we see now with colored belts created in time of peace is a means of gendai- budo- with a very different intent of training. I have done both extensively. I have paracticed methods indigenous to various areas of asia- My intent was always to protect oneself from death in war. If I enter a school and saw people doing push ups or jumping jacks- I walked out the door. I know how to exercise so I never wanted to pay in class for more aerobics. You go to a school to practice timing distancing and how to work principles and concepts with another body. The ones that kill and maime. I was never interested in trophy or ring fighting. However ignorance is so rampant. I remember that even the military began using these wrestling bullshit until terrosists began kicking the shit out of everyone with penjcak silat and kali type methods of fighting. Just another example of pussy ass liberals running things. Man I need to stop I could write a novel everyday, especially cuz Ill get 10 guys who barely know what they are talking aout want to argue with me because they belive the bullshit lies. Shall I go on?? LMAO

[airagee23]

How tall are you?

Man I need to make friends with you sweets cookers LOL!

Right at 6'3" bro. But I tell ya all the years of playing bball have done a number on my lower back.

[guns01]

damn air you are tall as hell. it is so nice to see all the veterans rolling around here. and most of you guys stay somewhat true to the trade in some way or another. martial arts pt and such.

[ketsugo]

Right at 6'3" bro. But I tell ya all the years of playing bball have done a number on my lower back.

Make hypers and the Louis SImmons bench reverse hypers is you have access- part of your regular lower back streghnthening routine. Your lower back will get stronger and form like a natural wieght belt

[rock419]

Well as far as hobbies go I love ocean fishing. Salmon, Halibut, Sea bass, and rock fish. I also do crabbing on occasion but only once or twice a year (basically pulling dead weight 200ft up in swell). I don't know what I would do if I didn't fish, it really keeps me sane to be out there at 5am with the sunrise getting ready to spill some fish blood!

[apollo]

Make hypers and the Louis SImmons bench reverse hypers is you have access- part of your regular lower back streghnthening routine. Your lower back will get stronger and form like a natural wieght belt

Dont forget to train your Transversus abdominis!
Do yoga- I swear to my penis it's a miracle back cure! Especially lower.

[ketsugo]

Dont forget to train your Transversus abdominis!
Do yoga- I swear to my penis it's a miracle back cure! Especially lower.

True- I use either the rotary torso machine or I do wood chops with cable apparatus for transverse, but my personal experience as I had broken my spine , had a fusion that the spinal muscles are of utmost importance- verified by the studies at New England Baptist that pioneered this type of procedure and PT for lower back injury. I rmember going to places closer to home with nmo succes as people in most PT places over emphasize the abdomnals and flexibility when in reality the spinal muscles are underused and off balance. Many of the guys I went through the program were competaive martial artsist and could do chinese splits from a supine position so flexibiltiy was not an issue. Athletes that have felxibility and strghtn do not need to waste their time doing these things - Its like when I go to a PT for my arm and they get me doing 5 pound wrist curls- Its a waste- so I just get the exercises and go do 45 pound DB wrist curls which is light but sufficient. The erectors and the muscles along the spin need more power NOT flexibility. They need to support and hold the spinal column directly

[IronpumpedLady]

Dont forget to train your Transversus abdominis!
Do yoga- I swear to my penis it's a miracle back cure! Especially lower.



Yoga, stretching on the ball, and doing core stabilization exercises on the ball, will help tremendously!!!! Most of the time hypers will aggravate it depending on the degree of the injury.



Stay STrong~~!!!
IPL

[apollo]

True- I use either the rotary torso machine or I do wood chops with cable apparatus for transverse, but my personal experience as I had broken my spine , had a fusion that the spinal muscles are of utmost importance- verified by the studies at New England Baptist that pioneered this type of procedure and PT for lower back injury. I rmember going to places closer to home with nmo succes as people in most PT places over emphasize the abdomnals and flexibility when in reality the spinal muscles are underused and off balance. Many of the guys I went through the program were competaive martial artsist and could do chinese splits from a supine position so flexibiltiy was not an issue. Athletes that have felxibility and strghtn do not need to waste their time doing these things - Its like when I go to a PT for my arm and they get me doing 5 pound wrist curls- Its a waste- so I just get the exercises and go do 45 pound DB wrist curls which is light but sufficient. The erectors and the muscles along the spin need more power NOT flexibility. They need to support and hold the spinal column directly

I think your extreme injury may be a different story than just a normal spine that that WOULD need more support from the ab muscles that DO help support an otherwise healthy spine. I agree an athlete that uses these muscles alot probably would'nt need it. But there are many athletes including alot of BB'rs that these muscles are not strong over the long haul or in shape in. Bill Romo comes to mind for me as I remember he started yoga which does work these deeper abs and yes does improve flexibility. He was a football player and I have seen many in shape looking BB'rs including myself at times later in my life when I was'nt truly in shape but appeared to be so. Meaning had all kinds of back pain and no cardio and no flexibility and no muscle strength at rest and definately no balance of muscle strength and tightness: for example my chest muscles were tight and strong but the back muscles that balance that and pull ones' shoulders back were not- causing a mal alignment issue and problems. So there were subtle exercises to get these muscles to start gaining strength and they were light weight in order for the surrounding muscles to not do the work as usual in heavy weight training. For me- an inshape lookin 34 year old 235lbs at 10% or less with a back that hurt alot even when jogging- Yoga was a miracle worker! I was the only one in there sweating and grunting and straining. But all the pain went away. there are some physical therapy exercises that worked for me in other areas at times. I agree for a person with a seriously injured spine- yess the aligning back muscles and supporting back muscles would be more important. But for a guy with a otherwise healthy spine- on here who probably does alot of things to have strong back and outer ab muscles- Working those inner and spinal supporting ab muscles and improving their flexibility would help tremendously. Yet when i was a boxer- I had absolutely no back problems.

[ketsugo]

Hey Apollo- great post Bro. I have to say you took a simple question and the thread has evolved into one of my favorite posts ,I ve ever been on. True my injury was extreme. You seem to know tons of stuff- I never knew you until this thread LOL. I do believe that streghnthening the little muscles over flexibility is underemphasized. When many of our injuries and pain can be corrected by exercise. I think we were on the same page in another post about wraps and belts elswhere on this forum. Glad your here. NE Baptist while back did some st udies and pioneered some rehan methods that have helped 100s. Hyperextensions are the core of the rehab whether you be an athlete or elderly 90 degree hypers and stiff legged dealifts are considred the staple. Some have avoided surgery with careful attention to those to movements. Like we talked of elswhere- belts and wraps build weak muscles and many orthopaedic expets are against using them unless injured or in competition. Hypers stretch stabilize the spine like no other exercise. Ive seen close to 100 people use this to bring back their former state of mobility. Most that aggravate their disc are doing it wrong. Exercise is key to life

[Warhead14]

Surfing, muey thai, swinging with my super freaky chick, play guitar, and tell Juice Authority how to behave.

[apollo]

Surfing, muey thai, swinging with my super freaky chick, play guitar, and tell Juice Authority how to behave.

Ah, I envy you- mine will only swing every once in a while but she is a squirting freak! Sex machines, we have the sawzall dildo and the drill dildo so far. Man I get my high from this freaky shit! LOL! Wait- that's not a hobbie- it's an addiction- LOL!

[ketsugo]

Toys with chicks is a great practice and hobbie I have to agree LOL