Best Republican Candidate List for 2012...Michele Bachman?!

[TheyCallMeX]

Mitt Romney
Mitch Daniels
Newt Gingrich
Sarah Palin
Nikki Haley
Jim DeMint
Ron Paul
Michele Bachman

....and many others who I wouldn't even care to list. This is the best of the best. The only person I would even consider would be Ron Paul.

That list of fuck ups makes Sarah Palin look like a good candidate! Geeze.

And the teabaggers, don't get me started. Michele Bachman has no fucking idea what she is talking about when referring to the constitution. This is why a 16 year old, (yes, you read right!) offered to challenge her to a debate on the knowledge of the constitution. Since then this girl has gotten harassed by teabaggers to no end.

Ughhhhh what is this country coming to. The democants and republicant's.

Fuck me running.


Debt. Debt. Debt. War. War. Debt. Loss of civil rights. Loss of civil liberties.

Fuck.

[baby1]

Sarah Palin is awesome! If she doesn't run this time, she will run in the future.

[Downtown]

Mitt Romney
Mitch Daniels
Newt Gingrich
Sarah Palin
Nikki Haley
Jim DeMint
Ron Paul
Michele Bachman

....and many others who I wouldn't even care to list. This is the best of the best. The only person I would even consider would be Ron Paul.

That list of fuck ups makes Sarah Palin look like a good candidate! Geeze.

And the teabaggers, don't get me started. Michele Bachman has no fucking idea what she is talking about when referring to the constitution. This is why a 16 year old, (yes, you read right!) offered to challenge her to a debate on the knowledge of the constitution. Since then this girl has gotten harassed by teabaggers to no end.

Ughhhhh what is this country coming to. The democants and republicant's.

Fuck me running.


Debt. Debt. Debt. War. War. Debt. Loss of civil rights. Loss of civil liberties.

Fuck.

So the "teabaggers" want government out of our lives and us out of dept and you make fun of them? You really show that you have zero clue about anything. Make fun of the presidents and other politicians but do not make fun of people who actually want what is best for America.

[FUZO]

I'M A HUGE PALIN FAN AND I THINK NEWT HAS GREAT KNOWLEDGE BUT I WANT A REPUBLICAN REAGEN CONCERVATIVE IN THERE AND PALIN IS THE CLOSEST.THE LEFT WING LIBERAL MEDIA BRANDED PALIN AS A HORRIBLE PERSON THATS WHY SHE HAS NEGATIVITY BUT A ONE ON ONE WITH BLOJAMA SHE WOULD KILL HIM. AND IF NEWT WENT ONE ON ONE WITH HIM GAME OVER. TO MANY LEFT WING PEOPLE THINK SHE DOESNT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE WHICH SHE HAS MORE THEN BLOJAMA. BLOJAMA DIDNT HAVE SIT BUT JUST A SIT IN JUNIOR SEATOR. PALIN WAS A MAYOR THEN GOV,RAN BUSINESS'S BLOJAMA DIDNT HAVE ANY OF THAT


Newt Gingrich
Sarah Palin

[Downtown]

Also what are you talking about point loss of civil rights and civil liberties towards Republicans. Democrats promise all minorities a free lunch. No wonder most vote Democrat. When you rob Peter to pay Paul you will always have the support of Paul.

[FUZO]

BACHMANBACHMAN IS A FEDRAL TAX ATTORNEY I BELEIVE AND KNOWS THE LAW AND CONSTITUTION BETTER THEN BLOJAMA. SHE COULD USE MORE EXPEREINCE BUT SHE HAS THE TEA PARTY BEHIND HER. BUT LET ME MAKE MY SELF CLEAR,BLOJAMA WILL NOT WIN BECAUSE



AFRICAN AMERICANS WILL NOT COME OUT LIKE THEY DID BEFORE

BLOJAMA LOST THE JEWISH VOTE AND WONT GET NEARLY AS MUCH AS HE GOT BEFORE

YOUNG UNEMPLOYED MEN AND WOMEN ARE PISSED AND WONT VOTE FOR HIM LIKE IN 2008

THE BLUE DOGS WONT LIKE IN 2008

INDEPENDANTS WONT LIKE IN 2008

AS LONG AS THE COUNTRY HAS HIGH UNEMPLOYMENT,NO JOB,HIGH DEBT HE WONT GET RE-ELECTED

[Downtown]

I'M A HUGE PALIN FAN AND I THINK NEWT HAS GREAT KNOWLEDGE BUT I WANT A REPUBLICAN REAGEN CONCERVATIVE IN THERE AND PALIN IS THE CLOSEST.THE LEFT WING LIBERAL MEDIA BRANDED PALIN AS A HORRIBLE PERSON THATS WHY SHE HAS NEGATIVITY BUT A ONE ON ONE WITH BLOJAMA SHE WOULD KILL HIM. AND IF NEWT WENT ONE ON ONE WITH HIM GAME OVER. TO MANY LEFT WING PEOPLE THINK SHE DOESNT HAVE THE KNOWLEDGE WHICH SHE HAS MORE THEN BLOJAMA. BLOJAMA DIDNT HAVE SIT BUT JUST A SIT IN JUNIOR SEATOR. PALIN WAS A MAYOR THEN GOV,RAN BUSINESS'S BLOJAMA DIDNT HAVE ANY OF THAT


Newt Gingrich
Sarah Palin

Agree, I have no idea why liberals have such a problem with Sarah Palin. She wants to drill for oil in our own country, she wants to shrink government. Wow...what a bitch....sarcasim

[guns01]

i saw this am on the news that good old guilianie (no idea how to spell) the nyc gov is trying to get his hat thrown into the race. too bad he has already semi been nailed for corruption

[TheyCallMeX]

So the "teabaggers" want government out of our lives and us out of dept and you make fun of them? You really show that you have zero clue about anything. Make fun of the presidents and other politicians but do not make fun of people who actually want what is best for America.


"Zero Clue About Anything"

Want whats best for America by...."Cutting spending".


Where are they going to cut spending?

War? No.

Education? No.

They don't know what the hell they're talking about. They can't ever answer questions about where they're going to 'cut spending.'

[TheyCallMeX]

Agree, I have no idea why liberals have such a problem with Sarah Palin. She wants to drill for oil in our own country, she wants to shrink government. Wow...what a bitch....sarcasim

Because she's a moron?

The liberal media has done nothing but point out the fact that she can't answer questions correctly at all. I'm sorry but I don't want someone running this country who thinks North Korea is our ally! :rolleyes:

[TheyCallMeX]

Ok, I realize that my responses here are very short and not detailed. I'll update these later with paragraphs. Right now I've just finished an hour of cardio, I've had a bottle of redline, I'm on ECA/Clen/T3 and I'm starving. My mind isn't working at optimum at the moment lol.

And brothers, I know we have conflicting views. I know I'm a Libertarian radical, but I really don't want my views and your views to make us resent one another. This is simply just where we differ and I haven't forgotten the love of our sport and passion for training is why we're all here. I hope nobody else does either

[guns01]

haha i could car less what anyone's beliefs or opinions are. i do like a good debate on matters that actually matter and their is some very smart across the board bros on here. you are a hippie liberal x haha, its all good though.

[TheyCallMeX]

haha i could car less what anyone's beliefs or opinions are. i do like a good debate on matters that actually matter and their is some very smart across the board bros on here. you are a hippie liberal x haha, its all good though.

No no! Libertarian sir! Much different.

Liberals WANT government involvement in Economic matters (welfare, medicaid, etc) but DO NOT government involvement in Moral matters (abortion, gay marriage, etc)

Conservatives WANT government involvement in moral matters such as abortion, and gay marriage but DO NOT want government involvement in Economic matters.

Libertarians do not want government involvement in economic OR moral matters!

[baby1]

. I'm sorry but I don't want someone running this country who thinks North Korea is our ally! :rolleyes:

I really don't think she was not aware of North Korea's position. NOt any worse than Obama thinkng there is 58 states!

[guns01]

haha x i was just busting your nuts. like i said at least g w could laugh at his dumb ass comments.

[TheyCallMeX]

I really don't think she was not aware of North Korea's position. NOt any worse than Obama thinkng there is 58 states!

LOL!!! I totally agree with you! They all suck to me! From Bush Sr to Clinton to Bush to Obama! I haven't liked any of them.

"We used to hustle over the border for health care we received in Canada. And I think now, isn't that ironic?" Palins statement about how she and her family used to go over to Canada for the free, socialized health care.

I don't like obama, but she was busting his sack for his health care plan and here is this fucking broad using the same system in which he is suggesting! lol Just one of the many reasons I can't stand politicians.

[Downtown]

No no! Libertarian sir! Much different.

Liberals WANT government involvement in Economic matters (welfare, medicaid, etc) but DO NOT government involvement in Moral matters (abortion, gay marriage, etc)

Conservatives WANT government involvement in moral matters such as abortion, and gay marriage but DO NOT want government involvement in Economic matters.

Libertarians do not want government involvement in economic OR moral matters!

You say you are a libertarian? Weird so am I and the strange thing so are most members of the same Tea Party you are bashing. You are really showing the only you have is what comes from the liberal media. And I do not believe you are a libertarian. You another one of those left wing idiots who wants a free ride at the expense of the people who work.

[Downtown]

No no! Libertarian sir! Much different.

Liberals WANT government involvement in Economic matters (welfare, medicaid, etc) but DO NOT government involvement in Moral matters (abortion, gay marriage, etc)

Conservatives WANT government involvement in moral matters such as abortion, and gay marriage but DO NOT want government involvement in Economic matters.

Libertarians do not want government involvement in economic OR moral matters!

You didn't really get this right, you are not wrong but you will missed alot. Liberals want Big government and entitlements. They are ok with high taxes on the people who work to pay for these entitlements.

Conservatives believe in the constitution. They want state governments to run their own states. They want a very small Fed government. They want very low taxes and zero entitlements (wel-fare).

[In Hulk]

Republicans and democrats- two heads of the same coin.

[In Hulk]

My thoughts....

Sarah Palin is dumb as rocks. This is quite clear and I hope she runs, it would provide ample hours of entertainment.

I don't know how anyone can reference the supposed "liberal media" when conservative media dominates in every aspect. How does that make any sense?

Liberals want the rich taxed, they have all the money, they should be taxed to high heaven. This country once flourished and shocker, it was when the rich were taxed up the wazoo.

Republicans support republican candidates, butttt... why??? Republicans in office are corporate whores, just like democrats. They support big business, and rich men. Are you rich? Are you getting sweet back door deals? Of course you're not, so why the fuck are you so aligned with rich men who don't give a dog shit about you?

Everyone wants to cry about "entitlement", funny I didn't know wanting to be able to feed your children was an entitlement. We should let them starve in the streets, to hell with em. Republicans love a fetus, until it's born, then it should be denied basic comforts like a good education and food because his/her parents are poor.

This country only thrives because of the little man. Never forget it. The rich man's piece of shit products and worthless services would be nothing without the labor force to make it happen and purchase said shit. So why should only the rich benefit? Does no one realize economy is an ecosystem where all involved play a pivotal role? Go ahead and bankrupt the middle/lower class and see how quickly it crumbles.

This shit just pisses me off. I can't and never will understand the bickering of same social class types arguing about protecting/attacking the elite. We are not Washington. We are joe blow, me and you. We have zero influence in Washington, and we fight each other over politics. Why? We have no input, we have no voice, we are one in the same.

Reagnomics, or I'm sorry, "Voodoo economics"(spot on Bush Sr!), have helped put this country on a downward economic spiral. Trickle down economics, what a joke! Distribution of wealth is bad! Concentration of wealth is, good? What?! Am I living in the Twilight Zone? Companies keep posting record profits, but they're not hiring! So they need more tax breaks, to make more money, but still don't hire anyone. OK?! COME ON PEOPLE.

It's all for nothing at this point, China's on the rise and every economist has them topping the US as #1 economic super power by 2025. Brush up on your Mandarin.

[FUZO]

INHULK NICE TO SEE YA,LOL BACK FROM THE OLD DAYS AT ABB AND ME POSTING MY POLITICS OVER THERE,LOL

[In Hulk]

LOL

As I was writing that I was thinking "fuzo's gonna love this!" lol! Good to see ya you crazy right wing nut :)

[guns01]

great post in hulk. very good. i say inhulk for president 2012

[TheyCallMeX]

You say you are a libertarian? Weird so am I and the strange thing so are most members of the same Tea Party you are bashing. You are really showing the only you have is what comes from the liberal media. And I do not believe you are a libertarian. You another one of those left wing idiots who wants a free ride at the expense of the people who work.

I don't like the tea party because they don't know how to answer questions and michelle bachman makes women in politics or future women in politics look extremely incompetent with her inaccurate statements hence why a 16 year old challenged her to an open debate on the US Constitution!

And as far as saying Conservatives care about the US Constitution answer me this:

WHERE DO YOU FIND 'ENEMY COMBATANT' IN THE US CONSTITUTION?

CONSERVATIVES don't create things such as THE PATRIOT ACT, which RAPE the liberties and freedoms this country was founded on!

CONSERVATIVES don't invade countries for an exchange of BLOOD over OIL!

CONSERVATIVES don't create GUANTANAMO BAY and strip away HABEAS CORPUS!

Conservatives want LOW TAXES and ECONOMIC FREEDOM? HA! Hence why they're all endorsed and they EMPOWER CORPORATIONS. We don't have a DEMOCRACY we have a GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY CORPORATIONS.

Conservatives are SUPPOSED to be for the constitution, but in my years and from what I've learned THEY ARE NOT!

And since you have declared me such an 'idiot liberal' let me just make something known:

I've got a COLLEGE DEGREE and I'm pursuing a GRADUATE DEGREE. I tried to enlist in the US Marines, the US Army, and the fucking Navy, but because of your precious conservatives in Congress, I can't. Why? Because I have a small dent in my record for use of anabolic steroid use. So don't dare say I want a fucking government handout, because I am working my way through life and pursuing the dead american dream.

[guns01]

just a heads up mr obama signed the extension for the patriot act again yesterday.
as for the constitution protecting terrorist and such: here is what i think (what the sheep dont know about how we gain intel will not hurt us)
we need places like gitmo for those terrorist suspects(would you like them in our fed pens, they arent necessarily citizens)
i dont think any enemy of our country has any rights whatsoever(i include illegal aliens in this area also) you can come here legally then you will rate rights.
i have absolutely no problem with torture none whatsoever. if you do then you should goggle up nick bergs videos or the numerous other beheadings that these wonderful people that dont deserve to get sent to gitmo have posted for all to see. the russian soldier getting his throat cut out is another good one.
these people dont follow the rules so why should we. cause we are better more civilized i dont think so.

as far as invading countries trading blood for oil. i hate this theory so frigging bad 1 because in case no one noticed gas has sky rocketed ever since we went into iraq. 2. we liberated a oppressed country that in some areas was basically living in the stone age. 3. damn near every person and family that i have encountered in my vast travels to these lovely countries loves us and thanked us more than our own population does. oh wait except when every swinging dick was on the patriotic bandwagon after 9/11 funny how fast that went away. then again their are still some damn fine support out there.
sorry for the extensive rant. i love debates.

[TheyCallMeX]

You another one of those left wing idiots who wants a free ride at the expense of the people who work.

God, this pisses me off. How DARE the government do anything to help anyone? An entitlement mentality. The welfare system needs to be abolished and have private charity put in place--but you are sitting here saying NOTHING need be provided to anyone needing help by this country.

Ohhhhh yeah bro....what a big bad thing! How dare the government do something about the General Welfare?! That's not in the constitution--wait....wait.. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE..."

Oh yeah, that is in there.

:rolleyes:

[guns01]

here is my solution to welfare. you may be entitled to welfare for x amount of time. more kids doesnt get you more money. here is how the government helps you find a job. we have a great military here in this country correct? how about we conscript your lazy out of work ass and teach you a trade. oh yeah and it is free the government covers this bill with taxes. military not you gig, ok how about the state or fed government starts a program to beautify the states and such with your paid labor. good old manual labor. i am so sick and tired of these white trash pieces of shit popping out little ones and collecting a check that is bigger than some people i know who bust their asses. i am sure that their is other races that do this as well but i used the white trash one as an example

[In Hulk]

Welfare is a necessary, but definitely in need of overhaul. There's no incentive to get off it, only to suck its teat for as long as possible. Drug testing should be mandatory, and if you're not working then some type of volunteer or community service should be mandatory. If you're willing to take you should be willing to contribute.

As for torture, it's junk. Sometimes you get information, but more often than not when you torture someone they're willing to confess to anything and everything, they'd confess to killing Abe Lincoln if it meant you'd stop simulating drowning... We charged Japanese soldiers in WW2 for water boarding American soldiers, but now it's cool if we do it? I don't think so.

And again as for entitlements, I don't see many republicans shitting a brick over the tax breaks, loopholes, and government breaks that big corporations get. Capitalism is dandy if you're a broke schmo, but socialism for the rich and corporate is apparently acceptable.

[In Hulk]

Did I just lose your vote in 2012 guns01? lol :)

[guns01]

hell no not at all like i said before i am all about some good debating and you have great ideas and solutions.
my thing with the torture is this:
these arent your everyday normal people, they are dedicated to what they do and believe that it is gods will to do what they do. they dont respond to the normal investigative techs that a normal person would. i have seen and dealt with some of these nut jobs first hand(no i do not do any interrogations other than tactical questioning) and they would just as soon blow you and their self up as give you the time of day. we are infidels to them and their mindsets

[In Hulk]

and they would just as soon blow you and their self up as give you the time of day

How's that any different than Japanese squads whose sole purpose was to fly their plane into enemy targets?

[guns01]

basically the same concept but then again we and they were executing them while they were surrendering. what type of interrogation techs were allowed during that time frame. also that was a declared war with enemies that wore uniforms and belonged to a government sponsored military that had military goals

[In Hulk]

I fail to see the difference, enemy combatants, or uniformed military- either way their goal was to kill our soldiers in any way possible. That's just semantics.

I think it impossible for the US to claim the high moral ground when you stoop to torture. Despite what any diehard nationalist wants to believe, global perception and support is critical in this time.

If we're gonna play dirty, then fine, but then we can't claim to be better than them.

[TheyCallMeX]

I fail to see the difference, enemy combatants, or uniformed military- either way their goal was to kill our soldiers in any way possible. That's just semantics.

I think it impossible for the US to claim the high moral ground when you stoop to torture. Despite what any diehard nationalist wants to believe, global perception and support is critical in this time.

If we're gonna play dirty, then fine, but then we can't claim to be better than them.

Ted? Is that you? :D

Interviewer: "Youre a serial killer."

Ted: "No I'm not".

Interviewer: "You're saying you're not a serial killer--but you've serially killed"

Ted: "Well, yeah! But that's just semantics." Sorry, second time I've ever heard that word used in regard to human life and it made me think of that funny quote from him lol

Also I read your post on your view on welfare and totally agree. You need to put in some if you're going to get some back

[guns01]

i see your point but dont have to agree with it and here is my reasoning:
war and armed conflict are governed by the laws of war and geneva convention. the vast majority of civilized countries have signed these agreements. when you have terrorists and insurgent fighters they are not governed by either one this is the difference. like i said before i love a good heated debate but if you want a dose of how they play watch the videos. if you agree with it it is your opinion but this guy not so much. what the cia and other government agencies do to prevent my fellow warriors from possibly being injured or killed poor it on. if it isnt public knowledge with youtube videos and broadcast over our wonderful news, it has no effect on me.

i completely agree with the majority of what you say bro but i wont budge on the treatment of enemy combatants i have personally bled sweated and been away from my family and friends entirely too much to give them any slack or sympathy.

i would still vote for you for president though as long as i could be secretary of defense. haha

[guns01]

i would like to throw in their that i value everyone's opinions and such. i do not mind to be critiqued at all. i actually enjoy it. i never take politics personally because they are all a bunch of corrupt liars with an agenda

[In Hulk]

I have no pity for terrorists who use civilians as shields, or kidnap then behead american workers or soldiers. But I think a distinction needs to be made between those men, and those who are simply pissed off natives who are fighting an invading force.

I can empathize with men who are simply taking up arms against an invading force. If China invaded the US tomorrow, I'd be fighting them tooth and nail, but I'd be part of no military force and I'd be an "enemy combatant" to the Chinese.

For me I think it boils down to that I can't condone torture in any instance, as I would not want me or my fellow country men to be subjected to torture. I think as the global super power we have a duty to be held to the highest standard or else we set a dangerous precedent for the world to follow in our foot steps as their justification for bending the rules if/when the time comes.

[FUZO]

As long as we all are cool in here then hey speak away

[guns01]

i can respect that in hulk that is very well put.

[guns01]

i will say one more time i love this debate even more than normal cause what in hulk says actually makes a lot of sense and he brings up some good points. i dont have to fully agree with him but it is very well put.

[TheyCallMeX]

Very good points by everyone here

[Downtown]

God, this pisses me off. How DARE the government do anything to help anyone? An entitlement mentality. The welfare system needs to be abolished and have private charity put in place--but you are sitting here saying NOTHING need be provided to anyone needing help by this country.

Ohhhhh yeah bro....what a big bad thing! How dare the government do something about the General Welfare?! That's not in the constitution--wait....wait.. "We the people of the United States, in order to form a more perfect union, establish justice, ensure domestic Tranquility, provide for the common defence, PROMOTE THE GENERAL WELFARE..."

Oh yeah, that is in there.

:rolleyes:

If you have seen or heard, we are 14 trillion in debt right now. We can not afford to be helping out people who do not want to work.

[Downtown]

I don't like the tea party because they don't know how to answer questions and michelle bachman makes women in politics or future women in politics look extremely incompetent with her inaccurate statements hence why a 16 year old challenged her to an open debate on the US Constitution!

And as far as saying Conservatives care about the US Constitution answer me this:

WHERE DO YOU FIND 'ENEMY COMBATANT' IN THE US CONSTITUTION?

CONSERVATIVES don't create things such as THE PATRIOT ACT, which RAPE the liberties and freedoms this country was founded on!

CONSERVATIVES don't invade countries for an exchange of BLOOD over OIL!

CONSERVATIVES don't create GUANTANAMO BAY and strip away HABEAS CORPUS!

Conservatives want LOW TAXES and ECONOMIC FREEDOM? HA! Hence why they're all endorsed and they EMPOWER CORPORATIONS. We don't have a DEMOCRACY we have a GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED BY CORPORATIONS.

Conservatives are SUPPOSED to be for the constitution, but in my years and from what I've learned THEY ARE NOT!

And since you have declared me such an 'idiot liberal' let me just make something known:

I've got a COLLEGE DEGREE and I'm pursuing a GRADUATE DEGREE. I tried to enlist in the US Marines, the US Army, and the fucking Navy, but because of your precious conservatives in Congress, I can't. Why? Because I have a small dent in my record for use of anabolic steroid use. So don't dare say I want a fucking government handout, because I am working my way through life and pursuing the dead american dream.


I did not declare you an idiot liberal, you pretty much did that for yourself. I am not being mean but you seem like you just repeat what the media has told you. Everything you mentioned in your rant Obama has done. Wasnt he supposed to get rid of the Patriot act? Wasnt he supposed to shut down GITMO? Werent we supposed to be out of Iraq and Afgan? Problem is we keep putting in these puppets in office. We have not had a conservative in office since I was born anyway, maybe Reagan. Look into Ron Paul, his son Rand, or even Herman Cain. People like that are the people that might have a chance of changing things.

[TheyCallMeX]

I did not declare you an idiot liberal, you pretty much did that for yourself. I am not being mean but you seem like you just repeat what the media has told you. Everything you mentioned in your rant Obama has done. Wasnt he supposed to get rid of the Patriot act? Wasnt he supposed to shut down GITMO? Werent we supposed to be out of Iraq and Afgan? Problem is we keep putting in these puppets in office. We have not had a conservative in office since I was born anyway, maybe Reagan. Look into Ron Paul, his son Rand, or even Herman Cain. People like that are the people that might have a chance of changing things.


"You another one of those left wing idiots who wants a free ride at the expense of the people who work."

Yes, you did.

Bro I don't even watch the news/media. My statements are based off of sheer actions that these people have taken and done in public office.

"Everything you mentioned in your rant Obama has done. Wasnt he supposed to get rid of the Patriot act? Wasnt he supposed to shut down GITMO? Werent we supposed to be out of Iraq and Afgan?"

Wrong.

Bush started the Patriot Act.

Bush/Cheney did GITMO.

Bush/Cheney, your 'conservatives' who care about the constitution went into Iraq and Afghanistan who are really what are known as neo-conservatives.

Rand Paul committed political suicide on Rachel Maddows show. She tried doing everything by throwing him a rope and saying, "Dude, you are drowning! Grab on and let me pull you out!" so he's pretty much fucked.

Ron Paul would be fantastic, but the same entitlements he speaks out against other states getting he accepts for his great state of Texas! We don't have ANYONE who isn't a puppet running. Even if we did have a fantastic candidate never forget this, "It does not matter votes, only who counts the votes." -Stalin

[TheyCallMeX]

If you have seen or heard, we are 14 trillion in debt right now. We can not afford to be helping out people who do not want to work.


So the people who did work, got laid off, have had their unemployment run out and have hungry children are not supposed to be looked after? You are speaking as if every person on welfare doesn't seek or look for work and we should just cut them out and forget about them all together.

We are 14 trillion in debt because we spend ungodly amounts of money on two wars! People forget that history repeats itself. Rome and many other great empires fell because of an attempt at a military conquest, bankrupted the empire, and diminished. We need to stop putting so much money into WAR/Military and start putting MORE into EDUCATION!

Does anybody remember what happened when states ran the educational system and plenty of cash was dropped into education? What happened?

IBM, Apple, Microsoft, and many other technological advances that only education could help establish.

We WERE the worlds superpower. As long as the media keeps telling us we're the greatest nation in the world and people continue to believe it, we'll continue giving up our rights one at a time until its Germany all over again.

[guns01]

i am just going to throw out there that gitmo has been there since prior to 1996 and its purpose is to detain persons from outside nations. we could have used anywhere in germany italy purteo rico etc... it would be kinda retarded to store these detainees over in the theater of conflict. just throwing it out there. if it were up to me and they were found guilty i would go saudi style with public beheadings.

[Downtown]

So the people who did work, got laid off, have had their unemployment run out and have hungry children are not supposed to be looked after? You are speaking as if every person on welfare doesn't seek or look for work and we should just cut them out and forget about them all together.

We are 14 trillion in debt because we spend ungodly amounts of money on two wars! People forget that history repeats itself. Rome and many other great empires fell because of an attempt at a military conquest, bankrupted the empire, and diminished. We need to stop putting so much money into WAR/Military and start putting MORE into EDUCATION!

Does anybody remember what happened when states ran the educational system and plenty of cash was dropped into education? What happened?

IBM, Apple, Microsoft, and many other technological advances that only education could help establish.

We WERE the worlds superpower. As long as the media keeps telling us we're the greatest nation in the world and people continue to believe it, we'll continue giving up our rights one at a time until its Germany all over again.

It is a proven fact/statistic that when your unemployment runs out you find a job within 3 weeks. I know a ton of ppl who sat on umemployment for over a year not even looking for a job. Why look when the government is paying you to sit on your ass. You are exactly what I described, liberal wanting free rides. Its called the nanny state. You people want government to take care of you. How about taking care of yourself. Like I said, Master Obama who was going to save the world promised to get us out of the two wars you speak of instead we are still there and now we are in Libya.

[Downtown]

"You another one of those left wing idiots who wants a free ride at the expense of the people who work."


Bro I don't even watch the news/media. My statements are based off of sheer actions that these people have taken and done in public office.
Then how do you know the actions if you do not watch the new or read the paper?



Bush started the Patriot Act. Obama extended it

Bush/Cheney did GITMO. What?? Are you saying Bush started GITMO

Bush/Cheney, your 'conservatives' who care about the constitution went into Iraq and Afghanistan who are really what are known as neo-conservatives.
Bush/Cheney are not conservatives, they grew the government and tripled our debt in 8 years. Not exactly conservative policies.

Rand Paul committed political suicide on Rachel Maddows show. She tried doing everything by throwing him a rope and saying, "Dude, you are drowning! Grab on and let me pull you out!" so he's pretty much fucked.
Rachel Maddow LOL that dyke bitch, are you serious. Now I see where you get your news and its starting to make sense



My responses are in bold

[Downtown]

i am just going to throw out there that gitmo has been there since prior to 1996 and its purpose is to detain persons from outside nations. we could have used anywhere in germany italy purteo rico etc... it would be kinda retarded to store these detainees over in the theater of conflict. just throwing it out there. if it were up to me and they were found guilty i would go saudi style with public beheadings.

I agree. I deployed to Camp Bucca in Iraq back in 05, it was a huge prison camp and you worried all the time about being attacked. IMO it was dumb having that many Terrorists right there in Iraq. One good attack and riot and a bunch could have escaped.

[TheyCallMeX]

It is a proven fact/statistic that when your unemployment runs out you find a job within 3 weeks. You are exactly what I described, liberal wanting free rides. How about taking care of yourself



1. Show me a source citing that its a proven fact/statistic that when unemployment finds out, anyone can find a job within 3 weeks.

2. You haven't read anything I've said--that is apparent. I said I want welfare abolished and private charity put in, and you say I want a liberal wanting a free ride? Those are the ideologies proposed by RON PAUL, the conservative that you support!

3. As for taking care of myself, hahaha. See, you tea baggers talk as if you are all about taking care of one self, but I bet you personally went to a public school. You tea baggers always go on about how socialism is what is going to lead to the destruction to this nation and how you're true libertarians, and the government should do nothing whatsoever for the people.

If you took out student loans, you have supported socialism.

If you received Federal Pell Grants, you have supported socialism.

If you have children that go to public schools, you have supported socialism!

If you drive on a fucking highway or interstate, YOU HAVE SUPPORTED SOCIALISM!

If you went to a public school, You have supported socialism!

Even your retirement is socialized!

Without socialism we wouldn't HAVE public schools! Parents would have to pay out of pocket for their children to go to private schools. You say you want everyone to do everything on their own, and do not condone any government 'handouts' ? I would love to hear these same words come out of your mouth when you can't afford to pay for your children to go to a fucking school, have no roads to drive on, and have no way to pay for your own furthered education into college.

The Tea Party is so full of shit.

[TheyCallMeX]

"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas."....Michele Bachmann. Tea Party has a real winner right here!

[Downtown]

1. Show me a source citing that its a proven fact/statistic that when unemployment finds out, anyone can find a job within 3 weeks.

2. You haven't read anything I've said--that is apparent. I said I want welfare abolished and private charity put in, and you say I want a liberal wanting a free ride? Those are the ideologies proposed by RON PAUL, the conservative that you support!

3. As for taking care of myself, hahaha. See, you tea baggers talk as if you are all about taking care of one self, but I bet you personally went to a public school. You tea baggers always go on about how socialism is what is going to lead to the destruction to this nation and how you're true libertarians, and the government should do nothing whatsoever for the people.

If you took out student loans, you have supported socialism.

If you received Federal Pell Grants, you have supported socialism.

If you have children that go to public schools, you have supported socialism!

If you drive on a fucking highway or interstate, YOU HAVE SUPPORTED SOCIALISM!

If you went to a public school, You have supported socialism!

Even your retirement is socialized!

Without socialism we wouldn't HAVE public schools! Parents would have to pay out of pocket for their children to go to private schools. You say you want everyone to do everything on their own, and do not condone any government 'handouts' ? I would love to hear these same words come out of your mouth when you can't afford to pay for your children to go to a fucking school, have no roads to drive on, and have no way to pay for your own furthered education into college.

The Tea Party is so full of shit.


Nobody ever said get rid of the government. I do not think anybody has a problem paying their share of taxes to have nice highways, schools, police, fire, military, ect. What burns my ass and alot of other peoples is when we put in our 40 plus hours of work and can just scrape by while these hood rats and white trash are sleeping in til noon, getting up to collect their welfare check and food stamps.

[guns01]

now i can def back that statement up. i will throw in there also that we dont need to get rid of government but we for sure need to clean the fucking house up something fierce. this could and would alleviate a lot of the wasteful spending.

[In Hulk]

Nobody ever said get rid of the government. I do not think anybody has a problem paying their share of taxes to have nice highways, schools, police, fire, military, ect. What burns my ass and alot of other peoples is when we put in our 40 plus hours of work and can just scrape by while these hood rats and white trash are sleeping in til noon, getting up to collect their welfare check and food stamps.

Welfare and food stamps need massive overhaul. I worked at a grocer years ago for a while for extra dough and can't believe what I learned about food stamps, at least in my state. ANYTHING food can be purchased, we're talking candy, custom cakes from the bakery that cost 50 bucks, lobster, crab legs, etc. It's asinine. I'd have assholes buy a load of food with link, then pull out their wallets full of cash and credit cards to pay for their beer or alcohol... Biting my tongue while working there for a short time was beyond difficult... At the same time, some people truly need it and don't abuse it. And it's a shame that so many do, and those who are just leeching it for everything need to be weeded out.

What pisses me off just as much though, and what upsets me that I don't see from the right, is all the corporate welfare that goes on in Washington. This seems to always go ignored or undiscussed when talking to people about social programs and waste. There seems to be a quiet acceptance or approval of the rich or corporations constantly abusing the system.

[guns01]

you are right back on track again in hulk. dont necessarily have the same opinions on the way war is waged and stuff but you def got that shit wired on straight.

[Downtown]

Welfare and food stamps need massive overhaul. I worked at a grocer years ago for a while for extra dough and can't believe what I learned about food stamps, at least in my state. ANYTHING food can be purchased, we're talking candy, custom cakes from the bakery that cost 50 bucks, lobster, crab legs, etc. It's asinine. I'd have assholes buy a load of food with link, then pull out their wallets full of cash and credit cards to pay for their beer or alcohol... Biting my tongue while working there for a short time was beyond difficult... At the same time, some people truly need it and don't abuse it. And it's a shame that so many do, and those who are just leeching it for everything need to be weeded out.

What pisses me off just as much though, and what upsets me that I don't see from the right, is all the corporate welfare that goes on in Washington. This seems to always go ignored or undiscussed when talking to people about social programs and waste. There seems to be a quiet acceptance or approval of the rich or corporations constantly abusing the system.

Oh yeah its just sad. Where Im from these junkies sell their food stamps for crack and heroin.

[TheyCallMeX]

Nobody ever said get rid of the government. I do not think anybody has a problem paying their share of taxes to have nice highways, schools, police, fire, military, ect. What burns my ass and alot of other peoples is when we put in our 40 plus hours of work and can just scrape by while these hood rats and white trash are sleeping in til noon, getting up to collect their welfare check and food stamps.

The tea party that you endorse consistently and deliberately complains about all of the above that you just mentioned and in my previous post. And yes, a lot of people play the welfare system--that doesn't mean you kick everyone that is on welfare off of it. What about the children, that are innocent in these situations who have bad junkie parents?

What about the families that actually pool together and use welfare as a last resort, who don't play the system? You are forgetting that a system such as this is in place for a reason, and that is why we all pay into it. You can't take advantage and use the unemployment system if you haven't paid into it with a job in the first place.

You earlier stated it's a proven fact that in three weeks after someone gets off of unemployment that they find a job. I'm still waiting for your citation on that statistic.

[TheyCallMeX]

Oh yeah its just sad. Where Im from these junkies sell their food stamps for crack and heroin.

Meth here. I'm not saying that the welfare system is good, it needs a total revision so you and I can agree just on that--it's a shitty system. lol

[apollo]

Ah, political sets of beliefs. Another path to righteousness- along with religions and many more- little news flash anyand all systemized sets of beliefs does/will go through reification and becomes self-serving. Therefore 2 systemized sets of beliefs must conflict.
But the grander truth is no idea nor belief which comes from experience(hearing and reading etc is a way to experience) of man shall ever be wholly righteous. Their is no path to righteousness; Truth is a pathless land.
So many beliefs that we adopt/choose but the choices are fed to us.
Democracy? LMAO! Who can tell me the difference of a democracy and a republic?
Democracy- what a "righteous" hinderance to freedom.
No man is righteous- but fight on gents. Maybe if all en were responsible for themselves and respected all other mens' responsibility things would be better. Yet truth is the most essential things we need to survive are: air, water, food- all controlled by the rightness of nature. But eat what you're fed and fight about it after all we all adapt what we think will help us survive- the most basic natural human nature- key word: "think" and we think what we're spoon fedducated to think. Think for yourself and question everything and buy nothing.
Also, if you are governed you are dependent aka addicted to government outside yourself and how can you be free? Govt. Outside ones'self will never lead to freedom. It can't. The systemized sets of beliefs started with good will and intent has gone through reification no matter how good it was meant to serve and protect men it now serves and protects it's self at whomever or whatevers' expense.

[guns01]

man this thread is intense. lots of good opinions being thrown out there.

[Downtown]

The tea party that you endorse consistently and deliberately complains about all of the above that you just mentioned and in my previous post. And yes, a lot of people play the welfare system--that doesn't mean you kick everyone that is on welfare off of it. What about the children, that are innocent in these situations who have bad junkie parents?

What about the families that actually pool together and use welfare as a last resort, who don't play the system? You are forgetting that a system such as this is in place for a reason, and that is why we all pay into it. You can't take advantage and use the unemployment system if you haven't paid into it with a job in the first place.

You earlier stated it's a proven fact that in three weeks after someone gets off of unemployment that they find a job. I'm still waiting for your citation on that statistic.

What about the children.....change the freaking record already. These welfare parents are breeding at an incredible rate and just producing future welfare people. We are 14 trillion in debt. I put a 5 min effort into finding the story I got that stat from but could not find it. This was about 2 years ago I read this. If I come across it or something similar ill post it. But you are right, welfare was put in for a purpose, to keep the sheep depending on the government. Its working.

[In Hulk]

What about the children.....change the freaking record already. These welfare parents are breeding at an incredible rate and just producing future welfare people. We are 14 trillion in debt. I put a 5 min effort into finding the story I got that stat from but could not find it. This was about 2 years ago I read this. If I come across it or something similar ill post it. But you are right, welfare was put in for a purpose, to keep the sheep depending on the government. Its working.

Well the right doesn't want these people to procreate, yet they want to outlaw abortions and ensure these babies are born, until they're born then they don't want to help support them in any way. So of course the logical response to is to teach safe sex education in the schools, but the right doesn't want that either, instead supporting abstinence education, which is so incredibly stupid it's insane.

And we're not 14 trillion in debt because of welfare.

[guns01]

we are in debt because of irresponsible spending. cutting the debt shoudnt make the military, education, social security and such suffer. how about we stop handing out to other countries that have disasters and start taking care of our own. maybe we should start collecting on others that owe. i know for a fact that everytime north korea gets riled up we give them money. idk but i think someone in gov needs to be held accountable.

[FUZO]

Get rid of this Blojama and the deficit will go down.No worries next election the Republicans will take control over the Senate and will take back the WH in 2012 this idiot will lose.Ive posted this everywhere he wont win because

unemployment wont get better to where it should be. It will; stay over 8% and that just wont do it.

Jobs no jobs

debt we are in debt and this idiot spent 5 trillion that didnt help.

African Americans wont come out like they did in 2008 thats a fact

Ind wont vote for him like they did in 2008

The Jews wont vote for him like in 2008

the young men and women who dont work wont vote for him like they did.

I dont care how negative this scum bags campaign will be when its time to vote he wont get in this time based on what I just said.

[guns01]

i sure as hell hope not. he has no business in the whitehouse senate, house or government period. hitler was a great public speaker and look where he took his country. his new re election campaign should be time for another change.

[In Hulk]

Get rid of this Blojama and the deficit will go down.

Except that the debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr... This is a fact.

[Downtown]

Well the right doesn't want these people to procreate, yet they want to outlaw abortions and ensure these babies are born, until they're born then they don't want to help support them in any way. So of course the logical response to is to teach safe sex education in the schools, but the right doesn't want that either, instead supporting abstinence education, which is so incredibly stupid it's insane.

And we're not 14 trillion in debt because of welfare.

You think abortion will do anything, dude these people are wanting these kids for more money. The last thing they will do is abort them. Yeah I agree welfare is not the only reason, its mostly from these big companies lobbying, USA being the world police, ect. Its a number of things, welfare just hits a soft spot for me because with my line of work I see all the abusers and it pisses me off.

[Downtown]

Except that the debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr... This is a fact.

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404

Might want to check your facts....

[guns01]

holy batshit batman that is freaking nuts downtown. and the unemployment rate is still so high. i wonder how he is going to politic himself out of those numbers?

[In Hulk]

http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404

Might want to check your facts....

"Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data"

That's cute considering the debt up to Reagan was only roughly 1 trillion dollars. By the time Reagan was out, it was 2.5 trillion, so he increased the national debt by 2.5x, more than all presidents from George Washington through Jimmy Carter combined.

Fine, despite Obama's presidency not being done, I'll change my wording...

The debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Obama... This is a fact.

[Downtown]

[QUOTE=In Hulk;69769]

The debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Obama... This is a fact.[/QUOTE


What about Clinton? I see your point though, its going from bad to worse faster and faster.

[FUZO]

Except that the debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr... This is a fact.



INHULK BUDDY STAY WITH 2008-2012 I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT HAPPENED THEN OR WITH BUSH JR. Bush Jr did what he did and the democratic congres passed his stuff and this idiot Blojama came in and made it worse not better thats a fact.

[TheyCallMeX]

INHULK BUDDY STAY WITH 2008-2012 I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT HAPPENED THEN OR WITH BUSH JR. Bush Jr did what he did and the democratic congres passed his stuff and this idiot Blojama came in and made it worse not better thats a fact.

With the Democrats having full control of the house and the Senate there is no excuse for them at all this time around. The republicans I've already had my issues with from the bullshit wars to the patriot act. TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN!!!