Very good points by everyone here
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Very good points by everyone here
If you have seen or heard, we are 14 trillion in debt right now. We can not afford to be helping out people who do not want to work.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheyCallMeX
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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeX
I did not declare you an idiot liberal, you pretty much did that for yourself. I am not being mean but you seem like you just repeat what the media has told you. Everything you mentioned in your rant Obama has done. Wasnt he supposed to get rid of the Patriot act? Wasnt he supposed to shut down GITMO? Werent we supposed to be out of Iraq and Afgan? Problem is we keep putting in these puppets in office. We have not had a conservative in office since I was born anyway, maybe Reagan. Look into Ron Paul, his son Rand, or even Herman Cain. People like that are the people that might have a chance of changing things.
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Originally Posted by Downtown
"You another one of those left wing idiots who wants a free ride at the expense of the people who work."
Yes, you did.
Bro I don't even watch the news/media. My statements are based off of sheer actions that these people have taken and done in public office.
"Everything you mentioned in your rant Obama has done. Wasnt he supposed to get rid of the Patriot act? Wasnt he supposed to shut down GITMO? Werent we supposed to be out of Iraq and Afgan?"
Wrong.
Bush started the Patriot Act.
Bush/Cheney did GITMO.
Bush/Cheney, your 'conservatives' who care about the constitution went into Iraq and Afghanistan who are really what are known as neo-conservatives.
Rand Paul committed political suicide on Rachel Maddows show. She tried doing everything by throwing him a rope and saying, "Dude, you are drowning! Grab on and let me pull you out!" so he's pretty much fucked.
Ron Paul would be fantastic, but the same entitlements he speaks out against other states getting he accepts for his great state of Texas! We don't have ANYONE who isn't a puppet running. Even if we did have a fantastic candidate never forget this, "It does not matter votes, only who counts the votes." -Stalin
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Originally Posted by Downtown
So the people who did work, got laid off, have had their unemployment run out and have hungry children are not supposed to be looked after? You are speaking as if every person on welfare doesn't seek or look for work and we should just cut them out and forget about them all together.
We are 14 trillion in debt because we spend ungodly amounts of money on two wars! People forget that history repeats itself. Rome and many other great empires fell because of an attempt at a military conquest, bankrupted the empire, and diminished. We need to stop putting so much money into WAR/Military and start putting MORE into EDUCATION!
Does anybody remember what happened when states ran the educational system and plenty of cash was dropped into education? What happened?
IBM, Apple, Microsoft, and many other technological advances that only education could help establish.
We WERE the worlds superpower. As long as the media keeps telling us we're the greatest nation in the world and people continue to believe it, we'll continue giving up our rights one at a time until its Germany all over again.
i am just going to throw out there that gitmo has been there since prior to 1996 and its purpose is to detain persons from outside nations. we could have used anywhere in germany italy purteo rico etc... it would be kinda retarded to store these detainees over in the theater of conflict. just throwing it out there. if it were up to me and they were found guilty i would go saudi style with public beheadings.
It is a proven fact/statistic that when your unemployment runs out you find a job within 3 weeks. I know a ton of ppl who sat on umemployment for over a year not even looking for a job. Why look when the government is paying you to sit on your ass. You are exactly what I described, liberal wanting free rides. Its called the nanny state. You people want government to take care of you. How about taking care of yourself. Like I said, Master Obama who was going to save the world promised to get us out of the two wars you speak of instead we are still there and now we are in Libya.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheyCallMeX
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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeX
I agree. I deployed to Camp Bucca in Iraq back in 05, it was a huge prison camp and you worried all the time about being attacked. IMO it was dumb having that many Terrorists right there in Iraq. One good attack and riot and a bunch could have escaped.Quote:
Originally Posted by guns01
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Originally Posted by Downtown
1. Show me a source citing that its a proven fact/statistic that when unemployment finds out, anyone can find a job within 3 weeks.
2. You haven't read anything I've said--that is apparent. I said I want welfare abolished and private charity put in, and you say I want a liberal wanting a free ride? Those are the ideologies proposed by RON PAUL, the conservative that you support!
3. As for taking care of myself, hahaha. See, you tea baggers talk as if you are all about taking care of one self, but I bet you personally went to a public school. You tea baggers always go on about how socialism is what is going to lead to the destruction to this nation and how you're true libertarians, and the government should do nothing whatsoever for the people.
If you took out student loans, you have supported socialism.
If you received Federal Pell Grants, you have supported socialism.
If you have children that go to public schools, you have supported socialism!
If you drive on a fucking highway or interstate, YOU HAVE SUPPORTED SOCIALISM!
If you went to a public school, You have supported socialism!
Even your retirement is socialized!
Without socialism we wouldn't HAVE public schools! Parents would have to pay out of pocket for their children to go to private schools. You say you want everyone to do everything on their own, and do not condone any government 'handouts' ? I would love to hear these same words come out of your mouth when you can't afford to pay for your children to go to a fucking school, have no roads to drive on, and have no way to pay for your own furthered education into college.
The Tea Party is so full of shit.
"Carbon dioxide is portrayed as harmful. But there isn't even one study that can be produced that shows that carbon dioxide is a harmful gas."....Michele Bachmann. Tea Party has a real winner right here!
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Originally Posted by TheyCallMeX
Nobody ever said get rid of the government. I do not think anybody has a problem paying their share of taxes to have nice highways, schools, police, fire, military, ect. What burns my ass and alot of other peoples is when we put in our 40 plus hours of work and can just scrape by while these hood rats and white trash are sleeping in til noon, getting up to collect their welfare check and food stamps.
now i can def back that statement up. i will throw in there also that we dont need to get rid of government but we for sure need to clean the fucking house up something fierce. this could and would alleviate a lot of the wasteful spending.
Welfare and food stamps need massive overhaul. I worked at a grocer years ago for a while for extra dough and can't believe what I learned about food stamps, at least in my state. ANYTHING food can be purchased, we're talking candy, custom cakes from the bakery that cost 50 bucks, lobster, crab legs, etc. It's asinine. I'd have assholes buy a load of food with link, then pull out their wallets full of cash and credit cards to pay for their beer or alcohol... Biting my tongue while working there for a short time was beyond difficult... At the same time, some people truly need it and don't abuse it. And it's a shame that so many do, and those who are just leeching it for everything need to be weeded out.Quote:
Originally Posted by Downtown
What pisses me off just as much though, and what upsets me that I don't see from the right, is all the corporate welfare that goes on in Washington. This seems to always go ignored or undiscussed when talking to people about social programs and waste. There seems to be a quiet acceptance or approval of the rich or corporations constantly abusing the system.
you are right back on track again in hulk. dont necessarily have the same opinions on the way war is waged and stuff but you def got that shit wired on straight.
Oh yeah its just sad. Where Im from these junkies sell their food stamps for crack and heroin.Quote:
Originally Posted by In Hulk
The tea party that you endorse consistently and deliberately complains about all of the above that you just mentioned and in my previous post. And yes, a lot of people play the welfare system--that doesn't mean you kick everyone that is on welfare off of it. What about the children, that are innocent in these situations who have bad junkie parents?Quote:
Originally Posted by Downtown
What about the families that actually pool together and use welfare as a last resort, who don't play the system? You are forgetting that a system such as this is in place for a reason, and that is why we all pay into it. You can't take advantage and use the unemployment system if you haven't paid into it with a job in the first place.
You earlier stated it's a proven fact that in three weeks after someone gets off of unemployment that they find a job. I'm still waiting for your citation on that statistic.
Meth here. I'm not saying that the welfare system is good, it needs a total revision so you and I can agree just on that--it's a shitty system. lolQuote:
Originally Posted by Downtown
Ah, political sets of beliefs. Another path to righteousness- along with religions and many more- little news flash anyand all systemized sets of beliefs does/will go through reification and becomes self-serving. Therefore 2 systemized sets of beliefs must conflict.
But the grander truth is no idea nor belief which comes from experience(hearing and reading etc is a way to experience) of man shall ever be wholly righteous. Their is no path to righteousness; Truth is a pathless land.
So many beliefs that we adopt/choose but the choices are fed to us.
Democracy? LMAO! Who can tell me the difference of a democracy and a republic?
Democracy- what a "righteous" hinderance to freedom.
No man is righteous- but fight on gents. Maybe if all en were responsible for themselves and respected all other mens' responsibility things would be better. Yet truth is the most essential things we need to survive are: air, water, food- all controlled by the rightness of nature. But eat what you're fed and fight about it after all we all adapt what we think will help us survive- the most basic natural human nature- key word: "think" and we think what we're spoon fedducated to think. Think for yourself and question everything and buy nothing.
Also, if you are governed you are dependent aka addicted to government outside yourself and how can you be free? Govt. Outside ones'self will never lead to freedom. It can't. The systemized sets of beliefs started with good will and intent has gone through reification no matter how good it was meant to serve and protect men it now serves and protects it's self at whomever or whatevers' expense.
man this thread is intense. lots of good opinions being thrown out there.
What about the children.....change the freaking record already. These welfare parents are breeding at an incredible rate and just producing future welfare people. We are 14 trillion in debt. I put a 5 min effort into finding the story I got that stat from but could not find it. This was about 2 years ago I read this. If I come across it or something similar ill post it. But you are right, welfare was put in for a purpose, to keep the sheep depending on the government. Its working.Quote:
Originally Posted by TheyCallMeX
Well the right doesn't want these people to procreate, yet they want to outlaw abortions and ensure these babies are born, until they're born then they don't want to help support them in any way. So of course the logical response to is to teach safe sex education in the schools, but the right doesn't want that either, instead supporting abstinence education, which is so incredibly stupid it's insane.Quote:
Originally Posted by Downtown
And we're not 14 trillion in debt because of welfare.
we are in debt because of irresponsible spending. cutting the debt shoudnt make the military, education, social security and such suffer. how about we stop handing out to other countries that have disasters and start taking care of our own. maybe we should start collecting on others that owe. i know for a fact that everytime north korea gets riled up we give them money. idk but i think someone in gov needs to be held accountable.
Get rid of this Blojama and the deficit will go down.No worries next election the Republicans will take control over the Senate and will take back the WH in 2012 this idiot will lose.Ive posted this everywhere he wont win because
unemployment wont get better to where it should be. It will; stay over 8% and that just wont do it.
Jobs no jobs
debt we are in debt and this idiot spent 5 trillion that didnt help.
African Americans wont come out like they did in 2008 thats a fact
Ind wont vote for him like they did in 2008
The Jews wont vote for him like in 2008
the young men and women who dont work wont vote for him like they did.
I dont care how negative this scum bags campaign will be when its time to vote he wont get in this time based on what I just said.
i sure as hell hope not. he has no business in the whitehouse senate, house or government period. hitler was a great public speaker and look where he took his country. his new re election campaign should be time for another change.
Except that the debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, and Bush Jr... This is a fact.Quote:
Originally Posted by FUZO
You think abortion will do anything, dude these people are wanting these kids for more money. The last thing they will do is abort them. Yeah I agree welfare is not the only reason, its mostly from these big companies lobbying, USA being the world police, ect. Its a number of things, welfare just hits a soft spot for me because with my line of work I see all the abusers and it pisses me off.Quote:
Originally Posted by In Hulk
http://www.cnsnews.com/node/72404Quote:
Originally Posted by In Hulk
Might want to check your facts....
holy batshit batman that is freaking nuts downtown. and the unemployment rate is still so high. i wonder how he is going to politic himself out of those numbers?
"Obama Added More to National Debt in First 19 Months Than All Presidents from Washington Through Reagan Combined, Says Gov’t Data"Quote:
Originally Posted by Downtown
That's cute considering the debt up to Reagan was only roughly 1 trillion dollars. By the time Reagan was out, it was 2.5 trillion, so he increased the national debt by 2.5x, more than all presidents from George Washington through Jimmy Carter combined.
Fine, despite Obama's presidency not being done, I'll change my wording...
The debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Obama... This is a fact.
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The debt has risen the most under Reagan, Bush Sr, Bush Jr, and Obama... This is a fact.[/QUOTE
What about Clinton? I see your point though, its going from bad to worse faster and faster.
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Originally Posted by In Hulk
INHULK BUDDY STAY WITH 2008-2012 I DONT GIVE A RATS ASS WHAT HAPPENED THEN OR WITH BUSH JR. Bush Jr did what he did and the democratic congres passed his stuff and this idiot Blojama came in and made it worse not better thats a fact.
With the Democrats having full control of the house and the Senate there is no excuse for them at all this time around. The republicans I've already had my issues with from the bullshit wars to the patriot act. TWO SIDES OF THE SAME COIN!!!Quote:
Originally Posted by FUZO