TweetGood post, and your 100% correct, i also agree with K-sugo. There is a place for them, i personally dont do them though. In time i think he will hurt himself, which would suck, and he would get no "money" after that.
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TweetGood post, and your 100% correct, i also agree with K-sugo. There is a place for them, i personally dont do them though. In time i think he will hurt himself, which would suck, and he would get no "money" after that.
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TweetIM NOT ADVOCATING THIS GUY IN THE VIDEO- BUT YOU ARE BRAINWASHED HAVE YOUR MIND IN A BOX - IF YOU BELIEVE THIS- ALL THE PROS ARNOLD , HANEY,YATES- ALL PRACTICED PARTIALS. THEY DO HAVE A PLACE IN TRAINING. THERE IS NO ONE WAY TO TRAIN. I FEEL SORRY FOR PEOPLE WHO THINK IN SUCH CONCRETE TERMS- TO TRAIN JUST SLOW AND FULL LEGHTN IS BUILDING A BODY THAT ONLY FUNCTIONS IN THE GYM. FUNCTIONAL MUSCLE UTILIZES ALL TYPES OF PRINCIPLES- WE CAN LEARN ALOT FROM POWERLIFTERS AND THE OLD SCHOOL GUYS- SO WHAT IF HE COULDNT STOP THE DUMBELL I MEAN REALLY - WHO CARES? YOURE BODY SHOULD BE ABLE TO ADJUST TO ANYTHING- TRAINING DIFFERENT PLANES AND ANGLES IS AN INDIVIDUAL THING. YOU GO AHEAD WITH YOUR ROBOT TRAINING METHODS - I RESPECTFULLY WISH YOU THE BEST. ME? IM GOING TO TRY ALL TYPES OF TRAINING AND NEW THINGS- IM NOT JUST A BODYBUILDER, IM AN ATHLETE AND MY SLOW TWICH, FAST TWICTH AND ALL MY SMALLER MUSCLES WILL BE HIT BECAUSE I REFUSE TO ACCEPT ONLY A LIMITED WAY OF TRAINING. I HAVE DONE THIS SINCE 1977- THROUGH EXPERIENCE. I GOT MY CSCS CERTIFICATE YEARS LATER ONLY BECAUSE I DONT AGREE WITH ALL THE BULLSHIT THEY TEACH EVERYONE- SO I GOT MY BA AND THAT CERTIFICATE ONLY SO I COULD SPIT IN EVERYONES FACE THAT TRIES TO SHOW ME THEIR WORTHLESS PIECE OF PAPER THAT MEANS NOTHING. NOW IM NOT SAYING THAT ABOUT YOU - IM JUST MAKING A POINT- THERE IS WAY WAY MORE TO TRAINING. PARTIALS HAVE THEIR PLACE IN YOUR ROUTINE. IF THEY DONT - YOU WILL NEVER REACH YOUR POTENTIAL BOTTOM LINE.
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sheesh I am such a jerk- MOxie accept this as an apology- You obviously have much knowledge in anatomy and physiology, However just consider my one case example here- 20 year old college athlete unable to perform one chin up after years of training. I schooled him with forced negatives and partial reps over a three month period and now chins are part of his routine. His lats have taken on a whole new look hes clean yet being accused of using gear. All because I incorporated partials into his routine. I been at this a long long time. I go by my own experience. No need for articles or manuals I could write my own. again Im so sorry about my demeanor previously- I get where you are coming from and you do make sense- However get me- THERE IS NO ONE WAY TO TRAIN.
YOU JUST DONT MAKE A PRACTICE OF DOING THEM OFTEN= SORT OF LIKE GOING MAX WEIGHT.
GOING ALL THEY WAY UP AND DOWN CAN ALSO SET YOU UP FOR INJURY- I GUESS WHEN YOU HAVE TRAINED PROFESIONALLY FOR 20-30 YEARS YOU WILL SEE ENOUGH OF THIS TO EVEN UNDERSTAND WHAT IM SAYING
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TweetKets, not sure if you are with me or not in my explanation, your two posts are polar opposites. I agree with what you are saying; variety is key to maximizing potential, no doubt there. I am saying that I see MANY guys in the gym training partial ranges ALL DAY, EVERY DAY, I am just providing the science behind partials, when they are beneficial and when they are not. I'll tell you, 95% of the time, they are NOT being utilized correctly.
And when I say full-range, I do not mean to the point of hyperextending the elbow, I simply mean bringing each and every muscle through the largest and safest possible range of motion. This will yield the greatest adaptations in muscular hypertrophy.
Here's the key: If you DO train your full range of motion, and then decide methodically that you want to add some partials into your routine, I think that's OK.
I am NOT saying that there is only one way to train, however I am saying partials are not the best strategy for hypertrophy training, but there's nothing wrong with throwing them into an already sound training program.
TweetMoxie let me again apologize - I had a hair across my butt today so it was me. YOu are correct on all points - every single point is true, partials are not the best way. However they are a proven and legitimate method for some to make gains. Used by most pros for decades - to train around injury, to break sticking points and for the case example I shared. They are very useful for a purpose. However not the best or the only way. I use them all the time for at least when I perform press behind the neck= to more isolate delts and keep minimal trap use, plus its considered a dangerous exercise when use in its full range. Of course using weigths that are way too heavy is out of the question, but using partials in an intelligent manner . I do agree with you and some of the others that some look foolish. However even consider the constant tension principle which is used specifucally and also actually a variation of partial reps. Partials are very popular with professionals and serious individuals. However it was infair and I was a jerk to imply that you are anything but a very intelligent and knowledgable bodybuilder- the facts you spewed off here are awesome which is why I couldnt delete the post too much great info. Instead ill just again say SORRY I was an arse so everyone can see that I can be big enough to admit when Im a jerk.
TweetKets, it's all good bro. I like a good argument about exercise physiology every once in a while, it makes me think real hard You actually brought up some good points that I haven't considered before.
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